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Gentza Eleder

Tue, Aug 23, 2022 4:09 PM

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows:

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :)
....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

Hi friends, how are you? We are having since July some converations with [GoodHabitz Documentaries](https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/). They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space. Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows: > .... > > For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. > .... > > Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions. Best of all, Gentza Eleder BuM_31 unJobbing Mundaka (+0034) 638.733.223 ------- Original Message ------- Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: > Hi Gentza, good morning! > How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! > I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :) > .... > > For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. > .... > > Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? > > Hope to hear from you. > Thanks for your time and efforts! > > Have a good day, > Marije

MM

Michael M Pannwitz

Tue, Aug 23, 2022 5:49 PM

Dear Gentza Eleder,

you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to
change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things
one might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment
in the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for
billions of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the
matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency
to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.

Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and
youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an
amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs
not to be researched, we have seen it.

Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.

Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:

 ....
 /
 /
 /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
 psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture
 expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would
 like to interview such an expert about how you can change the
 business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
 /
 /....
 /
 /
 /
 /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
 /

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!

How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
to get an idea :)

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
interview such an expert about how you can change the business
culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

Dear Gentza Eleder, you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might find important. It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth in Europe). Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of year. It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation. Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it. Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world. Greetings from Berlin Love and Peace mmp Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: > Hi friends, how are you? > We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz > Documentaries > <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>. > They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to > film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open > Space. > > Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread > through the OSLIST, as follows: > > .... > / > / > /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a > psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture > expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would > like to interview such an expert about how you can change the > business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. > / > /.... > / > / > / > /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? > / > > > Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in > September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? > > I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in > the conversation or open new questions. > > > Best of all, > > > Gentza Eleder > > BuM_31 unJobbing > > Mundaka > > (+0034) 638.733.223 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers > <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: > >> Hi Gentza, good morning! >> >> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >> >> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just >> to get an idea :) >> >> .... >> >> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or >> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to >> interview such an expert about how you can change the business >> culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >> .... >> >> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >> >> Hope to hear from you. >> >> Thanks for your time and efforts! >> >> Have a good day, >> Marije >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

MM

Michael M Pannwitz

Tue, Aug 23, 2022 6:34 PM

Dear Gentza Eleder,

a couple of afterthoughts

--- tell them that there is an unbeatably good video on a full fledged
ost event (16 hours spread over three days) "U.S. West Open Space",
almost 3 decades ago, with interviews of participants as they arrive,
interviews during, interviews at the end and interviews a few weeks
after everyone returned to their workplaces, always the same persons
interviewed)... a professional production with HO facilitating and I
think Peggy was there, too,

--- tell them that the event in Bilbao is a gathering of facilitators
and others involved in ost, hopefully also some clients/sponsors, the
students from the Netherlands etc.... and that it is an event of only 2
days and that there are no next meetings in the traditional sense, and
if there would be some that they would need to go to them weeks later

--- and see to it that every participant at the Bilbao gathering agrees
to be filmed and interviews are voluntary

Cheers, you will have a great time
mmp

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:

 ....
 /
 /
 /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
 psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture
 expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would
 like to interview such an expert about how you can change the
 business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
 /
 /....
 /
 /
 /
 /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
 /

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!

How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
to get an idea :)

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
interview such an expert about how you can change the business
culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

Dear Gentza Eleder, a couple of afterthoughts --- tell them that there is an unbeatably good video on a full fledged ost event (16 hours spread over three days) "U.S. West Open Space", almost 3 decades ago, with interviews of participants as they arrive, interviews during, interviews at the end and interviews a few weeks after everyone returned to their workplaces, always the same persons interviewed)... a professional production with HO facilitating and I think Peggy was there, too, --- tell them that the event in Bilbao is a gathering of facilitators and others involved in ost, hopefully also some clients/sponsors, the students from the Netherlands etc.... and that it is an event of only 2 days and that there are no next meetings in the traditional sense, and if there would be some that they would need to go to them weeks later --- and see to it that every participant at the Bilbao gathering agrees to be filmed and interviews are voluntary Cheers, you will have a great time mmp Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: > Hi friends, how are you? > We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz > Documentaries > <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>. > They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to > film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open > Space. > > Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread > through the OSLIST, as follows: > > .... > / > / > /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a > psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture > expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would > like to interview such an expert about how you can change the > business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. > / > /.... > / > / > / > /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? > / > > > Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in > September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? > > I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in > the conversation or open new questions. > > > Best of all, > > > Gentza Eleder > > BuM_31 unJobbing > > Mundaka > > (+0034) 638.733.223 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers > <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: > >> Hi Gentza, good morning! >> >> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >> >> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just >> to get an idea :) >> >> .... >> >> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or >> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to >> interview such an expert about how you can change the business >> culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >> .... >> >> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >> >> Hope to hear from you. >> >> Thanks for your time and efforts! >> >> Have a good day, >> Marije >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

MM

Michael M Pannwitz

Tue, Aug 23, 2022 6:53 PM

The U.S. West Video is available here, also as DVD or whatever

https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more

(Hi Peggy, I could not figure out how to get U.S.West from the osi. Can
you assist?9

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:

 ....
 /
 /
 /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
 psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture
 expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would
 like to interview such an expert about how you can change the
 business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
 /
 /....
 /
 /
 /
 /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
 /

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!

How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
to get an idea :)

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
interview such an expert about how you can change the business
culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

The U.S. West Video is available here, also as DVD or whatever > https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more (Hi Peggy, I could not figure out how to get U.S.West from the osi. Can you assist?9 Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: > Hi friends, how are you? > We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz > Documentaries > <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>. > They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to > film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open > Space. > > Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread > through the OSLIST, as follows: > > .... > / > / > /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a > psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture > expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would > like to interview such an expert about how you can change the > business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. > / > /.... > / > / > / > /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? > / > > > Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in > September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? > > I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in > the conversation or open new questions. > > > Best of all, > > > Gentza Eleder > > BuM_31 unJobbing > > Mundaka > > (+0034) 638.733.223 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers > <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: > >> Hi Gentza, good morning! >> >> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >> >> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just >> to get an idea :) >> >> .... >> >> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or >> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to >> interview such an expert about how you can change the business >> culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >> .... >> >> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >> >> Hope to hear from you. >> >> Thanks for your time and efforts! >> >> Have a good day, >> Marije >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

PH

Peggy Holman

Tue, Aug 23, 2022 8:47 PM

Hi Michael,

The US West Open Space video is available on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/25251316 https://vimeo.com/25251316

It’s long by today’s standards — 16 minutes — but it’s a goodie.

Peggy

Peggy Holman
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Twitter: @peggyholman

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com
www.journalismthatmatters.org

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the fire".
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On Aug 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:

The U.S. West Video is available here, also as DVD or whatever

https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more

(Hi Peggy, I could not figure out how to get U.S.West from the osi. Can you assist?9

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows:

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers info.marijekuipers@gmail.com mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!

How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :)

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de

Hi Michael, The US West Open Space video is available on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/25251316 <https://vimeo.com/25251316> It’s long by today’s standards — 16 minutes — but it’s a goodie. Peggy _________________________________ Peggy Holman peggy@peggyholman.com Twitter: @peggyholman Bellevue, WA 98006 206-948-0432 www.peggyholman.com www.journalismthatmatters.org Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com/> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become the fire". -- Drew Dellinger > On Aug 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote: > > The U.S. West Video is available here, also as DVD or whatever > >> https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more <https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more> > (Hi Peggy, I could not figure out how to get U.S.West from the osi. Can you assist?9 > > Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: >> Hi friends, how are you? >> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>. >> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space. >> >> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows: >> >> .... >> >> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >> .... >> >> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >> >> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? >> >> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions. >> >> >> Best of all, >> >> >> Gentza Eleder >> BuM_31 unJobbing >> Mundaka >> (+0034) 638.733.223 >> >> >> ------- Original Message ------- >> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: >> >>> Hi Gentza, good morning! >>> >>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >>> >>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :) >>> >>> .... >>> >>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >>> .... >>> >>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >>> >>> Hope to hear from you. >>> >>> Thanks for your time and efforts! >>> >>> Have a good day, >>> Marije >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> > > > > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de <mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de>

MM

Michael M Pannwitz

Tue, Aug 23, 2022 9:15 PM

Thanks Peggy,
now everybody knows where to get it.
Long?
Making myself a first class cup of coffee: grinding the beans, warming
cup and milk and filtering through a warm porcellain sief, adding a
pinch of salt and then drinking it takes me more than 16 minutes. And I
will go through this at least three times a day.

Have a great day
mmp

Am 23.08.2022 um 22:47 schrieb Peggy Holman:

Hi Michael,

The US West Open Space video is available on Vimeo:
https://vimeo.com/25251316

It’s long by today’s standards — 16 minutes — but it’s a goodie.

Peggy

Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com
Twitter: @peggyholman

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com
www.journalismthatmatters.org

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval
into Opportunity http://www.engagingemergence.com

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get
burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Aug 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:

The U.S. West Video is available here, also as DVD or whatever

https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more

(Hi Peggy, I could not figure out how to get U.S.West from the osi.
Can you assist?9

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao
to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on
Open Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:

 ....
 /
 /
 /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
 psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture
 expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We
 would like to interview such an expert about how you can change
 the business culture or the approach in order to have better
 meetings.
 /
 /....
 /
 /
 /
 /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
 /

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly
in the conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!

How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online?
Just to get an idea :)

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture
expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would
like to interview such an expert about how you can change the
business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

Thanks Peggy, now everybody knows where to get it. Long? Making myself a first class cup of coffee: grinding the beans, warming cup and milk and filtering through a warm porcellain sief, adding a pinch of salt and then drinking it takes me more than 16 minutes. And I will go through this at least three times a day. Have a great day mmp Am 23.08.2022 um 22:47 schrieb Peggy Holman: > Hi Michael, > > The US West Open Space video is available on Vimeo: > https://vimeo.com/25251316 > > It’s long by today’s standards — 16 minutes — but it’s a goodie. > > Peggy > > > _________________________________ > Peggy Holman > peggy@peggyholman.com > Twitter: @peggyholman > > Bellevue, WA 98006 > 206-948-0432 > www.peggyholman.com > www.journalismthatmatters.org > > Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval > into Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com> > > > "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get > burnt, is to become > the fire". > -- Drew Dellinger > > > >> On Aug 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael M Pannwitz >> <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote: >> >> The U.S. West Video is available here, also as DVD or whatever >> >>> https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more >> >> (Hi Peggy, I could not figure out how to get U.S.West from the osi. >> Can you assist?9 >> >> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: >>> Hi friends, how are you? >>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz >>> Documentaries >>> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>. >>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao >>> to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on >>> Open Space. >>> >>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread >>> through the OSLIST, as follows: >>> >>> .... >>> / >>> / >>> /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture >>> expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We >>> would like to interview such an expert about how you can change >>> the business culture or the approach in order to have better >>> meetings. >>> / >>> /.... >>> / >>> / >>> / >>> /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >>> / >>> >>> >>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in >>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? >>> >>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly >>> in the conversation or open new questions. >>> >>> >>> Best of all, >>> >>> >>> Gentza Eleder >>> >>> BuM_31 unJobbing >>> >>> Mundaka >>> >>> (+0034) 638.733.223 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------- Original Message ------- >>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers >>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: >>> >>>> Hi Gentza, good morning! >>>> >>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >>>> >>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? >>>> Just to get an idea :) >>>> >>>> .... >>>> >>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture >>>> expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would >>>> like to interview such an expert about how you can change the >>>> business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >>>> .... >>>> >>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >>>> >>>> Hope to hear from you. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time and efforts! >>>> >>>> Have a good day, >>>> Marije >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

J

JF

Thu, Sep 8, 2022 12:56 PM

Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large
engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to
help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative
organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as
OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that
the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand.
That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener
for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating
participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France)
but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to
get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,

Jean-François (JF)

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de
wrote:

Dear Gentza Eleder,

you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the
unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of
year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place
to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.

Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.

Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.

Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
the OSLIST, as follows:

....

*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *

*.... *

*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the
conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!

How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
get an idea :)

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de

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Hello All, I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events. I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as OST. I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated in OST. Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice. Regads, Jean-François (JF) On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote: > Dear Gentza Eleder, > > you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for > the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change > business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might > find important. > It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff > every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these > were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never > been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to > research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is > that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those > organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in > the Agency for Youth in Europe). > Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the > unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of > year. > It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place > to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in > selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, > large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, > not to forget, voluntarty participation. > > Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in > attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine > men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, > mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters > at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient > for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, > we have seen it. > > Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world. > > Greetings from Berlin > Love and Peace > mmp > > > Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: > > Hi friends, how are you? > We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries > <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/> > . > They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to > film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open > Space. > > Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through > the OSLIST, as follows: > > .... > > > *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a > psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or > someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview > such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the > approach in order to have better meetings. * > > *.... * > > > *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? * > > > Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in > September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? > > I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the > conversation or open new questions. > > > Best of all, > > > Gentza Eleder > > BuM_31 unJobbing > > Mundaka > > (+0034) 638.733.223 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers > <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: > > Hi Gentza, good morning! > > How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! > > I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to > get an idea :) > > .... > > For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a > psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or > someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview > such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the > approach in order to have better meetings. > .... > > Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? > > Hope to hear from you. > > Thanks for your time and efforts! > > Have a good day, > Marije > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > > > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >

MM

Michael M Pannwitz

Thu, Sep 8, 2022 2:45 PM

Dear Jean-Francois,

yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get
into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already
know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being
burried deep down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is
entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety)
where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that
participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take
a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never
experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades
of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It
was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the
way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy
Shovelton in Roffey Park...

So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards
Bilbao and have a great time.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion

and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here...
I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear
some folks are planning that for 2023...

Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:

Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet
I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this
interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with
a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various
practices such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it
first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a
great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I
am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in
the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate
for someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,

Jean-François (JF)

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:

 Dear Gentza Eleder,

 you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and
 space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an
 intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings
 or all the other things one might find important.
 It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing
 stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find
 that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that
 happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily
 simply not interested to research this, they just want to get
 going. The important observation is that it works.  And if it is
 used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all
 by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for
 Youth in Europe).
 Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central
 force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this
 planet for billions of year.
 It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be
 in place to get the the right conditions for getting this
 experiment in  selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high
 complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high
 conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty
 participation.

 Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts
 in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists,
 medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers,
 architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you
 have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you
 will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup.
 Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.

 Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
 world.

 Greetings from Berlin
 Love and Peace
 mmp


 Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

 Hi friends, how are you?
 We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
 Documentaries
 <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>.
 They are very interested  in OST and are planning to come to
 Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World
 Open Space on Open Space.

 Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
 through the OSLIST, as follows:

     ....
     /
     /
     /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
     psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture
     expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We
     would like to interview such an expert about how you can
     change the business culture or the approach in order to have
     better meetings.
     /
     /....
     /
     /
     /
     /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the
     event?
     /


 Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
 September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

 I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part
 directly in the conversation or open new questions.


 Best of all,


 Gentza Eleder

 BuM_31 unJobbing

 Mundaka

 (+0034) 638.733.223



 ------- Original Message -------
 Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
 <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com>
 <mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:

 Hi Gentza, good morning!

 How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

 I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online?
 Just to get an idea :)

 ....

 For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
 psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture
 expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We
 would like to interview such an expert about how you can change
 the business culture or the approach in order to have better
 meetings.
 ....

 Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

 Hope to hear from you.

 Thanks for your time and efforts!

 Have a good day,
 Marije

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Dear Jean-Francois, yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee. In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep down. In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that participants could no longer do without open space. So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never experienced before. For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park... So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao and have a great time. Greetings from Berlin mmp PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you. At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023... Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF: > Hello All, > I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet > I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this > interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events. > I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a > large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with > a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through > innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various > practices such as OST. > I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before > that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it > first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a > great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I > am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in > the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate > for someone who want to get initiated in OST. > Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice. > Regads, > > Jean-François (JF) > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz > <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote: > > Dear Gentza Eleder, > > you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and > space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an > intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings > or all the other things one might find important. > It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing > stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find > that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that > happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily > simply not interested to research this, they just want to get > going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is > used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all > by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for > Youth in Europe). > Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central > force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this > planet for billions of year. > It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be > in place to get the the right conditions for getting this > experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high > complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high > conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty > participation. > > Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts > in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, > medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, > architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you > have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you > will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. > Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it. > > Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the > world. > > Greetings from Berlin > Love and Peace > mmp > > > Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: >> Hi friends, how are you? >> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz >> Documentaries >> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>. >> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to >> Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World >> Open Space on Open Space. >> >> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread >> through the OSLIST, as follows: >> >> .... >> / >> / >> /For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture >> expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We >> would like to interview such an expert about how you can >> change the business culture or the approach in order to have >> better meetings. >> / >> /.... >> / >> / >> / >> /Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the >> event? >> / >> >> >> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in >> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? >> >> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part >> directly in the conversation or open new questions. >> >> >> Best of all, >> >> >> Gentza Eleder >> >> BuM_31 unJobbing >> >> Mundaka >> >> (+0034) 638.733.223 >> >> >> >> ------- Original Message ------- >> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers >> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> >> <mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: >> >>> Hi Gentza, good morning! >>> >>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >>> >>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? >>> Just to get an idea :) >>> >>> .... >>> >>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture >>> expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We >>> would like to interview such an expert about how you can change >>> the business culture or the approach in order to have better >>> meetings. >>> .... >>> >>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >>> >>> Hope to hear from you. >>> >>> Thanks for your time and efforts! >>> >>> Have a good day, >>> Marije >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

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WilbaOS

Thu, Sep 8, 2022 3:37 PM

Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!

I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).

Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream.

Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com)

26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?

29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all over the world?

JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!

Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.

Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!

Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!

Gentza Eleder
Mundaka/Bilbao
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/

https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:

Dear Jean-Francois,

yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...

So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao and have a great time.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion

and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...

Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:

Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,

Jean-François (JF)

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:

Dear Gentza Eleder,

you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.

Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.

Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.

Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows:

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :)
....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it! I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)). Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream. Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com) > 26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how are we going ahead in cooperative ways? > > 29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all over the world? > JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier! Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews. Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao! Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation! Gentza Eleder Mundaka/Bilbao http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/ https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote: > Dear Jean-Francois, > > yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee. > In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep down. > In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that participants could no longer do without open space. > So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never experienced before. > For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park... > > So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao and have a great time. > > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map > >> https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion > > and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you. > At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023... > > Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF: > >> Hello All, >> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events. >> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as OST. >> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated in OST. >> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice. >> Regads, >> >> Jean-François (JF) >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote: >> >>> Dear Gentza Eleder, >>> >>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might find important. >>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth in Europe). >>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of year. >>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation. >>> >>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it. >>> >>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world. >>> >>> Greetings from Berlin >>> Love and Peace >>> mmp >>> >>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: >>> >>>> Hi friends, how are you? >>>> We are having since July some converations with [GoodHabitz Documentaries](https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/). >>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space. >>>> >>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows: >>>> >>>>> .... >>>>> >>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >>>>> .... >>>>> >>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >>>> >>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? >>>> >>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions. >>>> >>>> Best of all, >>>> >>>> Gentza Eleder >>>> >>>> BuM_31 unJobbing >>>> >>>> Mundaka >>>> >>>> (+0034) 638.733.223 >>>> >>>> ------- Original Message ------- >>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers [<info.marijekuipers@gmail.com>](mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com) escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Hi Gentza, good morning! >>>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >>>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :) >>>>> .... >>>>> >>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings. >>>>> .... >>>>> >>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >>>>> >>>>> Hope to hear from you. >>>>> Thanks for your time and efforts! >>>>> >>>>> Have a good day, >>>>> Marije >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list -- >>>> everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> >>> Michael M Pannwitz >>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin >>> +49 30 7728000 >>> mmpannwitz@posteo.de >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > +49 30 7728000 > mmpannwitz@posteo.de

BW

Birgitt Williams

Thu, Sep 8, 2022 7:12 PM

DearJean-François,
To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a great
beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST, I
recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience as
a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
work.

I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you because I
am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of OST for some
time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and only now that
you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more acquainted with
OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on collective
intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were in that
management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with leaders
and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.

With appreciation,
Birgitt

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:56 AM JF jfgouin@gmail.com wrote:

Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that
the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand.
That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener
for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating
participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France)
but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to
get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,

Jean-François (JF)

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de
wrote:

Dear Gentza Eleder,

you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place
to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.

Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.

Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.

Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp

Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:

Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.

Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
the OSLIST, as follows:

....

*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *

*.... *

*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *

Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?

I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the
conversation or open new questions.

Best of all,

Gentza Eleder

BuM_31 unJobbing

Mundaka

(+0034) 638.733.223

------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:

Hi Gentza, good morning!

How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!

I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
get an idea :)

....

For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....

Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks for your time and efforts!

Have a good day,
Marije

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DearJean-François, To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a great beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST, I recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience as a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your work. I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you because I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of OST for some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and only now that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'. With appreciation, Birgitt [image: Picture] *Birgitt Williams* *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants * *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.* www.dalarinternational.com >> Learn More & Register <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our upcoming workshops here. PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613 Phone: 01-919-522-7750 Like us on Facebook <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=6677c35b38&e=e7zyhHfiqG> Connect on LinkedIn <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=c26173f86b&e=e7zyhHfiqG> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:56 AM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello All, > I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I > have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest > further and actually participate and be involved with OST events. > I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a > large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a > view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through > innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices > such as OST. > I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that > the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. > That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener > for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating > participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) > but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to > get initiated in OST. > Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice. > Regads, > > Jean-François (JF) > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> > wrote: > >> Dear Gentza Eleder, >> >> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for >> the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change >> business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might >> find important. >> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff >> every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these >> were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never >> been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to >> research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is >> that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those >> organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in >> the Agency for Youth in Europe). >> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in >> the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions >> of year. >> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place >> to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in >> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, >> large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, >> not to forget, voluntarty participation. >> >> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in >> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine >> men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, >> mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters >> at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient >> for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, >> we have seen it. >> >> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world. >> >> Greetings from Berlin >> Love and Peace >> mmp >> >> >> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder: >> >> Hi friends, how are you? >> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries >> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/> >> . >> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to >> film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open >> Space. >> >> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through >> the OSLIST, as follows: >> >> .... >> >> >> *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or >> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview >> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the >> approach in order to have better meetings. * >> >> *.... * >> >> >> *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? * >> >> >> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in >> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)? >> >> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the >> conversation or open new questions. >> >> >> Best of all, >> >> >> Gentza Eleder >> >> BuM_31 unJobbing >> >> Mundaka >> >> (+0034) 638.733.223 >> >> >> >> ------- Original Message ------- >> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers >> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu: >> >> Hi Gentza, good morning! >> >> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers! >> >> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to >> get an idea :) >> >> .... >> >> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or >> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview >> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the >> approach in order to have better meetings. >> .... >> >> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? >> >> Hope to hear from you. >> >> Thanks for your time and efforts! >> >> Have a good day, >> Marije >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> >> >> Michael M Pannwitz >> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin >> +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >

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