J
JF
Thu, Sep 8, 2022 8:25 PM
Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will
definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a
while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to
commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I
will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the
space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do
appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
Thank you all,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS WilbaOS@protonmail.com wrote:
Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the
message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just
willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so
rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way
to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in
December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next
days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we
could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com wilbaos@protonmail.com)
26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how
are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all
over the world?
JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the
user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the
practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th.
Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in
Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
Gentza Eleder
Mundaka/Bilbao
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
Sent with Proton Mail https://proton.me/ secure email.
------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <
mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
Dear Jean-Francois,
yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into
this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know
about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep
down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is
entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety)
where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that
participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a
deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never
experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of
all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was
tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that
was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey
Park...
So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao
and have a great time.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I
might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some
folks are planning that for 2023...
Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that
the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand.
That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener
for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating
participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France)
but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to
get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de
wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place
to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
the OSLIST, as follows:
....
*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *
*.... *
*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the
conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
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Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will
definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a
while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to
commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I
will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the
space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do
appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
Thank you all,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS <WilbaOS@protonmail.com> wrote:
> Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the
> message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just
> willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
>
> I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
>
> Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so
> rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way
> to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in
> December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
>
> Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
> meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next
> days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we
> could help you: *wilbaos@protonmail.com <wilbaos@protonmail.com>*)
>
>
> 26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how
> are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
>
> 29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all
> over the world?
>
>
>
>
> JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the
> user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the
> practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th.
> Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
>
> Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in
> Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
>
> Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
>
> Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
>
> Gentza Eleder
> Mundaka/Bilbao
> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
>
> https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
>
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <
> mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>
> Dear Jean-Francois,
>
> yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into
> this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
> In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
> learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know
> about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep
> down.
> In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is
> entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety)
> where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that
> participants could no longer do without open space.
> So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a
> deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never
> experienced before.
> For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of
> all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was
> tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that
> was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey
> Park...
>
> So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao
> and have a great time.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
>
> https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>
>
> and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
> At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I
> might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some
> folks are planning that for 2023...
>
> Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
>
> Hello All,
> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
> have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
> further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
> large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
> view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
> innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
> such as OST.
> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that
> the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand.
> That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener
> for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating
> participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France)
> but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to
> get initiated in OST.
> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
> Regads,
>
> Jean-François (JF)
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>
>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
>> the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
>> business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
>> find important.
>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
>> every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
>> were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
>> been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
>> research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
>> that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
>> organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
>> the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
>> the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
>> of year.
>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place
>> to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
>> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
>> large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
>> not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>
>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
>> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
>> men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
>> mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
>> at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
>> for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
>> we have seen it.
>>
>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> Love and Peace
>> mmp
>>
>>
>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>
>> Hi friends, how are you?
>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
>> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>
>> .
>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
>> film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
>> Space.
>>
>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
>> the OSLIST, as follows:
>>
>> ....
>>
>>
>> *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>> approach in order to have better meetings. *
>>
>> *.... *
>>
>>
>> *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
>>
>>
>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>
>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the
>> conversation or open new questions.
>>
>>
>> Best of all,
>>
>>
>> Gentza Eleder
>>
>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>
>> Mundaka
>>
>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>
>>
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>
>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>
>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
>> get an idea :)
>>
>> ....
>>
>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>> approach in order to have better meetings.
>> ....
>>
>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>
>> Hope to hear from you.
>>
>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>
>> Have a good day,
>> Marije
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
>> +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de
>>
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>
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>
>
>
J
JF
Thu, Sep 8, 2022 9:18 PM
Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
experience and really looking forward to it
Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask myself. I
did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and went as far
as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that was what the
project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather interest. There was
definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but maybe lacking a
direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal with sufficient
assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it was an uphill
battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the corporate
types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of course but in
my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people do have a
reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am not saying
that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can be good)
but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
traditional pyramid / matrix.
About further training, do you have any suggestion?
Cheers for now,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
DearJean-François,
To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a great
beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST, I
recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience as
a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
work.
I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you because
I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of OST for
some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and only now
that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
With appreciation,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de
wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
the OSLIST, as follows:
....
*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *
*.... *
*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
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Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
experience and really looking forward to it
Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask myself. I
did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and went as far
as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that was what the
project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather interest. There was
definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but maybe lacking a
direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal with sufficient
assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it was an uphill
battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the corporate
types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of course but in
my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people do have a
reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am not saying
that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can be good)
but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
traditional pyramid / matrix.
About further training, do you have any suggestion?
Cheers for now,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
> DearJean-François,
> To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a great
> beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST, I
> recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience as
> a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
> even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
> to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
> organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
> processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
> the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
> the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
> be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
> work.
>
> I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you because
> I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of OST for
> some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and only now
> that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
> acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
> collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
> in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
> leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
>
> With appreciation,
> Birgitt
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> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:56 AM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
>> have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
>> further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
>> large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
>> view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
>> innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
>> such as OST.
>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
>> that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
>> hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
>> opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
>> contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
>> south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
>> someone who want to get initiated in OST.
>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>> Regads,
>>
>> Jean-François (JF)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>>
>>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
>>> the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
>>> business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
>>> find important.
>>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
>>> every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
>>> were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
>>> been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
>>> research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
>>> that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
>>> organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
>>> the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
>>> the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
>>> of year.
>>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
>>> place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
>>> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
>>> large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
>>> not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>>
>>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
>>> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
>>> men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
>>> mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
>>> at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
>>> for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
>>> we have seen it.
>>>
>>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>> Love and Peace
>>> mmp
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>>
>>> Hi friends, how are you?
>>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
>>> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>
>>> .
>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
>>> film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
>>> Space.
>>>
>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
>>> the OSLIST, as follows:
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>>
>>> *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>> approach in order to have better meetings. *
>>>
>>> *.... *
>>>
>>>
>>> *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
>>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>>
>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
>>> the conversation or open new questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best of all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Gentza Eleder
>>>
>>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>>
>>> Mundaka
>>>
>>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
>>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>>
>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>>
>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
>>> get an idea :)
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>> approach in order to have better meetings.
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>
>>> Hope to hear from you.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>>
>>> Have a good day,
>>> Marije
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Gentza Eleder
Fri, Sep 9, 2022 8:31 AM
Hi Jean Fracnçois!
I'm happy about your decission!
Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it easaier to you!
We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
The "travel" is being so nice!
Best wishes!
Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so much for your support!
------- Original Message -------
Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF jfgouin@gmail.com escreveu:
Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
Thank you all,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS WilbaOS@protonmail.com wrote:
Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com)
26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all over the world?
JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
Gentza Eleder
Mundaka/Bilbao
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:
Dear Jean-Francois,
yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao and have a great time.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows:
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
Hi Jean Fracnçois!
I'm happy about your decission!
Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
> Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it easaier to you!
We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
The "travel" is being so nice!
Best wishes!
Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so much for your support!
------- Original Message -------
Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> escreveu:
> Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
> Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
> Thank you all,
> JF
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS <WilbaOS@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
>>
>> I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
>>
>> Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
>>
>> Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com)
>>
>>> 26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
>>>
>>> 29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all over the world?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
>>
>> Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
>>
>> Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
>>
>> Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
>>
>> Gentza Eleder
>> Mundaka/Bilbao
>> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
>>
>> https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
>>
>> Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jean-Francois,
>>>
>>> yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
>>> In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep down.
>>> In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that participants could no longer do without open space.
>>> So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never experienced before.
>>> For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
>>>
>>> So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao and have a great time.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>> mmp
>>>
>>> PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
>>>
>>>> https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>>>
>>> and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
>>> At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
>>>
>>> Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
>>>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as OST.
>>>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated in OST.
>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>>>> Regads,
>>>>
>>>> Jean-François (JF)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>>>>
>>>>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might find important.
>>>>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>>>>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of year.
>>>>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>>>> Love and Peace
>>>>> mmp
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi friends, how are you?
>>>>>> We are having since July some converations with [GoodHabitz Documentaries](https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/).
>>>>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best of all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gentza Eleder
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mundaka
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers [<info.marijekuipers@gmail.com>](mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com) escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>>>>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>>>>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :)
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to hear from you.
>>>>>>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a good day,
>>>>>>> Marije
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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BW
Birgitt Williams
Fri, Sep 9, 2022 6:59 PM
JF, thank you for your thoughtful answer to my question. I have asked a
number of our clients over the years why they didn't make use of OST
sooner. The common answer was because they themselves weren't ready. A
completely different leadership capacity needed to be developed within
themselves and their organizations to support an organization making the
best use of frequent OST meetings and the resultant cultural shift. There
was a period of time that several of the leaders I spoke with quit their
jobs to take some time for themselves to develop their leadership capacity
to then go on and take on a different job in which they could engage in
their leadership differently.
Others can speak up about trainings in working with OST that they are aware
of. My offer at present is a training that includes three phases: a self
study portion to be done at your own pace, preferably after you have
participated in an OST meeting; then one with one mentoring with me of two
three hour online sessions as we process your learning; and finally some
months later, participating in an online mentoring circle of peers to
explore what has come up for each person as a result of application of the
learning. It is an intense process and my focus is on working with OST for
maximum benefit before and after the OST meeting. I include teaching about
what happens when an organization makes use of frequent OST meetings...the
benefits and the pitfalls.
I also smiled when you spoke about engineers. In my experience, they are
often some of the most enthusiastic participants in an OST meeting, more so
that people who pride themselves on being good with touchy-feely
processes 😂
I wish you joy on your learning journey,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com
Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
experience and really looking forward to it
Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask myself.
I did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and went as
far as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that was what
the project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather interest. There
was definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but maybe lacking a
direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal with sufficient
assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it was an uphill
battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the corporate
types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of course but in
my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people do have a
reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am not saying
that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can be good)
but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
traditional pyramid / matrix.
About further training, do you have any suggestion?
Cheers for now,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
DearJean-François,
To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a great
beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST, I
recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience as
a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
work.
I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you because
I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of OST for
some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and only now
that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
With appreciation,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de
wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to
change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one
might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:
....
*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *
*.... *
*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
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JF, thank you for your thoughtful answer to my question. I have asked a
number of our clients over the years why they didn't make use of OST
sooner. The common answer was because they themselves weren't ready. A
completely different leadership capacity needed to be developed within
themselves and their organizations to support an organization making the
best use of frequent OST meetings and the resultant cultural shift. There
was a period of time that several of the leaders I spoke with quit their
jobs to take some time for themselves to develop their leadership capacity
to then go on and take on a different job in which they could engage in
their leadership differently.
Others can speak up about trainings in working with OST that they are aware
of. My offer at present is a training that includes three phases: a self
study portion to be done at your own pace, preferably after you have
participated in an OST meeting; then one with one mentoring with me of two
three hour online sessions as we process your learning; and finally some
months later, participating in an online mentoring circle of peers to
explore what has come up for each person as a result of application of the
learning. It is an intense process and my focus is on working with OST for
maximum benefit before and after the OST meeting. I include teaching about
what happens when an organization makes use of frequent OST meetings...the
benefits and the pitfalls.
I also smiled when you spoke about engineers. In my experience, they are
often some of the most enthusiastic participants in an OST meeting, more so
that people who pride themselves on being good with touchy-feely
processes 😂
I wish you joy on your learning journey,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
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*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
*Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.*
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On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:18 PM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
> experience and really looking forward to it
>
> Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
> innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
> could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
> especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
> transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
> holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
> a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
> responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
> it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
> exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
> Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask myself.
> I did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and went as
> far as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that was what
> the project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather interest. There
> was definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but maybe lacking a
> direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal with sufficient
> assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it was an uphill
> battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the corporate
> types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of course but in
> my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people do have a
> reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am not saying
> that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can be good)
> but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
> practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
> develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
> control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
> very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
> controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
> organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
> They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
> to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
> it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
> that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
> They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
> would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
> In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
> that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
> support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
>
> I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
> a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
> together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
> traditional pyramid / matrix.
> About further training, do you have any suggestion?
> Cheers for now,
> JF
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
> birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
>
>> DearJean-François,
>> To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a great
>> beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST, I
>> recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience as
>> a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
>> even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
>> to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
>> organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
>> processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
>> the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
>> the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
>> be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
>> work.
>>
>> I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you because
>> I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of OST for
>> some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and only now
>> that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
>> acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
>> collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
>> in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
>> leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
>>
>> With appreciation,
>> Birgitt
>>
>> [image: Picture]
>>
>>
>> *Birgitt Williams*
>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.*
>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>
>>
>> >> Learn More & Register
>> <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>> upcoming workshops here.
>>
>>
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>> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
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>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:56 AM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
>>> have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
>>> further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
>>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
>>> large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
>>> view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
>>> innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
>>> such as OST.
>>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
>>> that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
>>> hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
>>> opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
>>> contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
>>> south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
>>> someone who want to get initiated in OST.
>>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>>> Regads,
>>>
>>> Jean-François (JF)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>>>
>>>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
>>>> for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to
>>>> change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one
>>>> might find important.
>>>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
>>>> every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
>>>> were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
>>>> been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
>>>> research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
>>>> that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
>>>> organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
>>>> the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>>>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
>>>> the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
>>>> of year.
>>>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
>>>> place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
>>>> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
>>>> large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
>>>> not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
>>>> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
>>>> men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
>>>> mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
>>>> at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
>>>> for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
>>>> we have seen it.
>>>>
>>>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>>> Love and Peace
>>>> mmp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>>>
>>>> Hi friends, how are you?
>>>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
>>>> Documentaries
>>>> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>
>>>> .
>>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
>>>> film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
>>>> Space.
>>>>
>>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
>>>> through the OSLIST, as follows:
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>>> approach in order to have better meetings. *
>>>>
>>>> *.... *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
>>>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>>>
>>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
>>>> the conversation or open new questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best of all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gentza Eleder
>>>>
>>>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>>>
>>>> Mundaka
>>>>
>>>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
>>>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>>>
>>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>>>
>>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
>>>> get an idea :)
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>>> approach in order to have better meetings.
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>>
>>>> Hope to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day,
>>>> Marije
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael M Pannwitz
>>>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
>>>> +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
IE
ingrid ebeling ebus
Sun, Sep 18, 2022 4:44 PM
Dear Gentza,
well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in Bilbao. I hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or what ever. All the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a flight ticket.
Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you mentioned a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative house?
Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
Ingrid
Ingrid Ebeling, EBUS
Systemic Prozess facilitation
Executive Coaching • Large Group Intervention
Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
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Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder <Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com mailto:Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com>:
Hi Jean Fracnçois!
I'm happy about your decission!
Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it easaier to you!
We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
The "travel" is being so nice!
Best wishes!
Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/ http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so much for your support!
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Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF <jfgouin@gmail.com mailto:jfgouin@gmail.com> escreveu:
Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
Thank you all,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS <WilbaOS@protonmail.com mailto:WilbaOS@protonmail.com> wrote:
Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com mailto:wilbaos@protonmail.com)
26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all over the world?
JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
Gentza Eleder
Mundaka/Bilbao
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/ http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
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------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
Dear Jean-Francois,
yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao and have a great time.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows:
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
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Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers info.marijekuipers@gmail.com mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
Dear Gentza,
well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in Bilbao. I hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or what ever. All the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a flight ticket.
Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you mentioned a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative house?
Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
Ingrid
Ingrid Ebeling, EBUS
Systemic Prozess facilitation
Executive Coaching • Large Group Intervention
Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
fon +49-511-336 03 30 • mobile +49-172-5145179
ie@institut-ebus.de <mailto:ie@institut-ebus.de>
> Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder <Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com <mailto:Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com>>:
>
> Hi Jean Fracnçois!
>
> I'm happy about your decission!
> Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
> Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it easaier to you!
>
> We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
>
> The "travel" is being so nice!
>
> Best wishes!
>
> Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/ <http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/>
> Mundaka
> (+0034) 638.733.223
>
> ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so much for your support!
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF <jfgouin@gmail.com <mailto:jfgouin@gmail.com>> escreveu:
>
>> Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
>> Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
>> Thank you all,
>> JF
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS <WilbaOS@protonmail.com <mailto:WilbaOS@protonmail.com>> wrote:
>> Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
>>
>> I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
>>
>> Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
>>
>> Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com <mailto:wilbaos@protonmail.com>)
>>
>> 26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
>>
>> 29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all over the world?
>>
>>
>> JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
>>
>> Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
>>
>> Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
>>
>> Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
>>
>> Gentza Eleder
>> Mundaka/Bilbao
>> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/ <http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/>
>>
>> https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH <https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH>
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de <mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jean-Francois,
>>>
>>> yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
>>> In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep down.
>>> In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that participants could no longer do without open space.
>>> So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never experienced before.
>>> For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
>>>
>>> So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao and have a great time.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>> mmp
>>>
>>> PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
>>>> https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion <https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion>
>>> and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
>>> At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
>>>
>>> Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
>>>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices such as OST.
>>>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated in OST.
>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>>>> Regads,
>>>>
>>>> Jean-François (JF)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de <mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de>> wrote:
>>>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>>>
>>>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might find important.
>>>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>>>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions of year.
>>>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
>>>>
>>>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>>> Love and Peace
>>>> mmp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>>>> Hi friends, how are you?
>>>>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>.
>>>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open Space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through the OSLIST, as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in the conversation or open new questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gentza Eleder
>>>>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>>>> Mundaka
>>>>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <mailto:info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to get an idea :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope to hear from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good day,
>>>>>> Marije
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Anna Caroline Türk
Wed, Sep 21, 2022 2:51 PM
Dear JF,
It's great to hear from you and your thoughts about Open Space in
organizations and potential reluctance to use it.
You mention the feared loss of control for managers and the emergence of
self-organizing systems as a result of an Open Space Technology meeting. I
know there is a potential for that, but in my 20+ years of experience I
haven’t seen that catalytic effect when OST is used once. But it might all
start with a well organized OST meeting…
We just received your mail during our Open Space Training in the
Netherlands. The next time we are offering a 3 day in person training will
be 5.-7. September 2023. We’ll share more information with you asap on
our colleague
Doris Gottlieb’s website https://www.dorisgottlieb.com/workshops. It
would be great to have you there next year!
Our in person training is similar to Birgitt Williams online training: It
is called “Working with Open Space Technology”. The name indicates that the
learning journey goes beyond the facilitation of the Open Space. It
provides participants with holistic tools (from the Genuine Contact
approach) to prepare and follow up with your client/ sponsor/leader - in
order to make sure the meeting creates sustainable results. It also helps
you clarify how open the space really is and where there is a letting go of
control and where control is kept in place, by defining givens
(non-negotiables) of the Open Space. It is very beneficial to have these
givens explicit from the moment the invitation gets shared - so people know
how open the space is for creativity, innovation, responsibility-taking and
decision making.
If you go to Bilbao, please speak to my colleague Thomas Herrmann and the
rest of the wonderful OST lovers! I won’t be there this time.
Greetings
Doris, Thomas, and Anna Caroline
Anna Caroline Türk
Mentor to Visionary Leaders
+49(0)176 24872254 | TruthCircles.com http://TruthCircles.com
Am Fr., 9. Sept. 2022 um 21:01 Uhr schrieb Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com>:
JF, thank you for your thoughtful answer to my question. I have asked a
number of our clients over the years why they didn't make use of OST
sooner. The common answer was because they themselves weren't ready. A
completely different leadership capacity needed to be developed within
themselves and their organizations to support an organization making the
best use of frequent OST meetings and the resultant cultural shift. There
was a period of time that several of the leaders I spoke with quit their
jobs to take some time for themselves to develop their leadership capacity
to then go on and take on a different job in which they could engage in
their leadership differently.
Others can speak up about trainings in working with OST that they are
aware of. My offer at present is a training that includes three phases: a
self study portion to be done at your own pace, preferably after you have
participated in an OST meeting; then one with one mentoring with me of two
three hour online sessions as we process your learning; and finally some
months later, participating in an online mentoring circle of peers to
explore what has come up for each person as a result of application of the
learning. It is an intense process and my focus is on working with OST for
maximum benefit before and after the OST meeting. I include teaching about
what happens when an organization makes use of frequent OST meetings...the
benefits and the pitfalls.
I also smiled when you spoke about engineers. In my experience, they are
often some of the most enthusiastic participants in an OST meeting, more so
that people who pride themselves on being good with touchy-feely
processes 😂
I wish you joy on your learning journey,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com
Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
experience and really looking forward to it
Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask myself.
I did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and went as
far as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that was what
the project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather interest. There
was definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but maybe lacking a
direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal with sufficient
assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it was an uphill
battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the corporate
types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of course but in
my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people do have a
reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am not saying
that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can be good)
but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
traditional pyramid / matrix.
About further training, do you have any suggestion?
Cheers for now,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
DearJean-François,
To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a
great beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST,
I recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience
as a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
work.
I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you
because I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of
OST for some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and
only now that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
With appreciation,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <
mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to
change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one
might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:
....
*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *
*.... *
*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com
escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
to get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
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Dear JF,
It's great to hear from you and your thoughts about Open Space in
organizations and potential reluctance to use it.
You mention the feared loss of control for managers and the emergence of
self-organizing systems as a result of an Open Space Technology meeting. I
know there is a potential for that, but in my 20+ years of experience I
haven’t seen that catalytic effect when OST is used once. But it might all
start with a well organized OST meeting…
We just received your mail during our Open Space Training in the
Netherlands. The next time we are offering a 3 day in person training will
be 5.-7. September 2023. We’ll share more information with you asap on
our colleague
Doris Gottlieb’s website <https://www.dorisgottlieb.com/workshops>. It
would be great to have you there next year!
Our in person training is similar to Birgitt Williams online training: It
is called “Working with Open Space Technology”. The name indicates that the
learning journey goes beyond the facilitation of the Open Space. It
provides participants with holistic tools (from the Genuine Contact
approach) to prepare and follow up with your client/ sponsor/leader - in
order to make sure the meeting creates sustainable results. It also helps
you clarify how open the space really is and where there is a letting go of
control and where control is kept in place, by defining givens
(non-negotiables) of the Open Space. It is very beneficial to have these
givens explicit from the moment the invitation gets shared - so people know
how open the space is for creativity, innovation, responsibility-taking and
decision making.
If you go to Bilbao, please speak to my colleague Thomas Herrmann and the
rest of the wonderful OST lovers! I won’t be there this time.
Greetings
Doris, Thomas, and Anna Caroline
*Anna Caroline Türk*
Mentor to Visionary Leaders
+49(0)176 24872254 | TruthCircles.com <http://TruthCircles.com>
Am Fr., 9. Sept. 2022 um 21:01 Uhr schrieb Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com>:
> JF, thank you for your thoughtful answer to my question. I have asked a
> number of our clients over the years why they didn't make use of OST
> sooner. The common answer was because they themselves weren't ready. A
> completely different leadership capacity needed to be developed within
> themselves and their organizations to support an organization making the
> best use of frequent OST meetings and the resultant cultural shift. There
> was a period of time that several of the leaders I spoke with quit their
> jobs to take some time for themselves to develop their leadership capacity
> to then go on and take on a different job in which they could engage in
> their leadership differently.
>
> Others can speak up about trainings in working with OST that they are
> aware of. My offer at present is a training that includes three phases: a
> self study portion to be done at your own pace, preferably after you have
> participated in an OST meeting; then one with one mentoring with me of two
> three hour online sessions as we process your learning; and finally some
> months later, participating in an online mentoring circle of peers to
> explore what has come up for each person as a result of application of the
> learning. It is an intense process and my focus is on working with OST for
> maximum benefit before and after the OST meeting. I include teaching about
> what happens when an organization makes use of frequent OST meetings...the
> benefits and the pitfalls.
>
> I also smiled when you spoke about engineers. In my experience, they are
> often some of the most enthusiastic participants in an OST meeting, more so
> that people who pride themselves on being good with touchy-feely
> processes 😂
>
> I wish you joy on your learning journey,
> Birgitt
>
> [image: Picture]
>
>
> *Birgitt Williams*
> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.*
> www.dalarinternational.com
>
>
> >> Learn More & Register
> <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
> upcoming workshops here.
>
>
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>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:18 PM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
>> experience and really looking forward to it
>>
>> Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
>> innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
>> could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
>> especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
>> transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
>> holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
>> a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
>> responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
>> it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
>> exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
>> Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask myself.
>> I did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and went as
>> far as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that was what
>> the project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather interest. There
>> was definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but maybe lacking a
>> direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal with sufficient
>> assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it was an uphill
>> battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the corporate
>> types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of course but in
>> my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people do have a
>> reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am not saying
>> that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can be good)
>> but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
>> practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
>> develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
>> control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
>> very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
>> controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
>> organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
>> They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
>> to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
>> it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
>> that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
>> They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
>> would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
>> In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
>> that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
>> support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
>>
>> I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
>> a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
>> together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
>> traditional pyramid / matrix.
>> About further training, do you have any suggestion?
>> Cheers for now,
>> JF
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
>> birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
>>
>>> DearJean-François,
>>> To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a
>>> great beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST,
>>> I recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience
>>> as a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
>>> even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
>>> to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
>>> organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
>>> processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
>>> the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
>>> the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
>>> be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
>>> work.
>>>
>>> I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you
>>> because I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of
>>> OST for some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and
>>> only now that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
>>> acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
>>> collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
>>> in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
>>> leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
>>>
>>> With appreciation,
>>> Birgitt
>>>
>>> [image: Picture]
>>>
>>>
>>> *Birgitt Williams*
>>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>>> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.*
>>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Learn More & Register
>>> <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>>> upcoming workshops here.
>>>
>>>
>>> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
>>> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
>>> Like us on Facebook
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:56 AM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
>>>> have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
>>>> further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
>>>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
>>>> large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
>>>> view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
>>>> innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
>>>> such as OST.
>>>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
>>>> that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
>>>> hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
>>>> opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
>>>> contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
>>>> south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
>>>> someone who want to get initiated in OST.
>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>>>> Regads,
>>>>
>>>> Jean-François (JF)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <
>>>> mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>>>>
>>>>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
>>>>> for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to
>>>>> change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one
>>>>> might find important.
>>>>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
>>>>> every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
>>>>> were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
>>>>> been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
>>>>> research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
>>>>> that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
>>>>> organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
>>>>> the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>>>>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
>>>>> the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
>>>>> of year.
>>>>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
>>>>> place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
>>>>> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
>>>>> large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
>>>>> not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
>>>>> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
>>>>> men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
>>>>> mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
>>>>> at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
>>>>> for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
>>>>> we have seen it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
>>>>> world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>>>> Love and Peace
>>>>> mmp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi friends, how are you?
>>>>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
>>>>> Documentaries
>>>>> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>
>>>>> .
>>>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
>>>>> film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
>>>>> Space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
>>>>> through the OSLIST, as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>>>> approach in order to have better meetings. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *.... *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
>>>>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
>>>>> the conversation or open new questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gentza Eleder
>>>>>
>>>>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>>>>
>>>>> Mundaka
>>>>>
>>>>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
>>>>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com>
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
>>>>> to get an idea :)
>>>>>
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>>>> approach in order to have better meetings.
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to hear from you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a good day,
>>>>> Marije
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
>>>>> +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de
>>>>>
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JF
Wed, Sep 21, 2022 6:44 PM
Thanks Anna Caroline and Birgitt,
All that sounds very interesting, re: traning. I guess I'll see how to move
forward after I am back from Bilbao. I am looking forward to meeting Thomas
and everyone else.
The fear of loosing control from management is certainly there when trying
to introduce self organising structures but I think it might even be the
case for one time event like OST.
I have participated in many townhall meetings, management retreats or team
building events that were intended for participants to contribute,
collaborate and innovate. Each time was a disappointment because the setup
/ format was too contrived. Too much control and it felt more like we were
being tested. I think the people who designed those events were really
looking for feedback and input but they didn't know how else to do it
except through a very strict time line and what became boring exercises.In
the end not much came out of it and it felt like it was not a genuine
effort.
All the best,
JF
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 4:53 PM Anna Caroline Türk <
annacaroline@truthcircles.com> wrote:
Dear JF,
It's great to hear from you and your thoughts about Open Space in
organizations and potential reluctance to use it.
You mention the feared loss of control for managers and the emergence of
self-organizing systems as a result of an Open Space Technology meeting. I
know there is a potential for that, but in my 20+ years of experience I
haven’t seen that catalytic effect when OST is used once. But it might all
start with a well organized OST meeting…
We just received your mail during our Open Space Training in the
Netherlands. The next time we are offering a 3 day in person training will
be 5.-7. September 2023. We’ll share more information with you asap on our colleague
Doris Gottlieb’s website https://www.dorisgottlieb.com/workshops. It
would be great to have you there next year!
Our in person training is similar to Birgitt Williams online training: It
is called “Working with Open Space Technology”. The name indicates that the
learning journey goes beyond the facilitation of the Open Space. It
provides participants with holistic tools (from the Genuine Contact
approach) to prepare and follow up with your client/ sponsor/leader - in
order to make sure the meeting creates sustainable results. It also helps
you clarify how open the space really is and where there is a letting go of
control and where control is kept in place, by defining givens
(non-negotiables) of the Open Space. It is very beneficial to have these
givens explicit from the moment the invitation gets shared - so people know
how open the space is for creativity, innovation, responsibility-taking and
decision making.
If you go to Bilbao, please speak to my colleague Thomas Herrmann and the
rest of the wonderful OST lovers! I won’t be there this time.
Greetings
Doris, Thomas, and Anna Caroline
Anna Caroline Türk
Mentor to Visionary Leaders
+49(0)176 24872254 | TruthCircles.com http://TruthCircles.com
Am Fr., 9. Sept. 2022 um 21:01 Uhr schrieb Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com>:
JF, thank you for your thoughtful answer to my question. I have asked a
number of our clients over the years why they didn't make use of OST
sooner. The common answer was because they themselves weren't ready. A
completely different leadership capacity needed to be developed within
themselves and their organizations to support an organization making the
best use of frequent OST meetings and the resultant cultural shift. There
was a period of time that several of the leaders I spoke with quit their
jobs to take some time for themselves to develop their leadership capacity
to then go on and take on a different job in which they could engage in
their leadership differently.
Others can speak up about trainings in working with OST that they are
aware of. My offer at present is a training that includes three phases: a
self study portion to be done at your own pace, preferably after you have
participated in an OST meeting; then one with one mentoring with me of two
three hour online sessions as we process your learning; and finally some
months later, participating in an online mentoring circle of peers to
explore what has come up for each person as a result of application of the
learning. It is an intense process and my focus is on working with OST for
maximum benefit before and after the OST meeting. I include teaching about
what happens when an organization makes use of frequent OST meetings...the
benefits and the pitfalls.
I also smiled when you spoke about engineers. In my experience, they are
often some of the most enthusiastic participants in an OST meeting, more so
that people who pride themselves on being good with touchy-feely
processes 😂
I wish you joy on your learning journey,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com
Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
experience and really looking forward to it
Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask
myself. I did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and
went as far as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that
was what the project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather
interest. There was definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but
maybe lacking a direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal
with sufficient assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it
was an uphill battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the
corporate types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of
course but in my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people
do have a reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am
not saying that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can
be good) but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
traditional pyramid / matrix.
About further training, do you have any suggestion?
Cheers for now,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
DearJean-François,
To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a
great beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST,
I recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience
as a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
work.
I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you
because I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of
OST for some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and
only now that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
With appreciation,
Birgitt
[image: Picture]
Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet
I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <
mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to
change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one
might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing
stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that
these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has
never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested
to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force
in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for
billions of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao
to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:
....
*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *
*.... *
*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com
escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
to get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
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Thanks Anna Caroline and Birgitt,
All that sounds very interesting, re: traning. I guess I'll see how to move
forward after I am back from Bilbao. I am looking forward to meeting Thomas
and everyone else.
The fear of loosing control from management is certainly there when trying
to introduce self organising structures but I think it might even be the
case for one time event like OST.
I have participated in many townhall meetings, management retreats or team
building events that were intended for participants to contribute,
collaborate and innovate. Each time was a disappointment because the setup
/ format was too contrived. Too much control and it felt more like we were
being tested. I think the people who designed those events were really
looking for feedback and input but they didn't know how else to do it
except through a very strict time line and what became boring exercises.In
the end not much came out of it and it felt like it was not a genuine
effort.
All the best,
JF
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 4:53 PM Anna Caroline Türk <
annacaroline@truthcircles.com> wrote:
> Dear JF,
>
> It's great to hear from you and your thoughts about Open Space in
> organizations and potential reluctance to use it.
>
> You mention the feared loss of control for managers and the emergence of
> self-organizing systems as a result of an Open Space Technology meeting. I
> know there is a potential for that, but in my 20+ years of experience I
> haven’t seen that catalytic effect when OST is used once. But it might all
> start with a well organized OST meeting…
>
> We just received your mail during our Open Space Training in the
> Netherlands. The next time we are offering a 3 day in person training will
> be 5.-7. September 2023. We’ll share more information with you asap on our colleague
> Doris Gottlieb’s website <https://www.dorisgottlieb.com/workshops>. It
> would be great to have you there next year!
>
> Our in person training is similar to Birgitt Williams online training: It
> is called “Working with Open Space Technology”. The name indicates that the
> learning journey goes beyond the facilitation of the Open Space. It
> provides participants with holistic tools (from the Genuine Contact
> approach) to prepare and follow up with your client/ sponsor/leader - in
> order to make sure the meeting creates sustainable results. It also helps
> you clarify how open the space really is and where there is a letting go of
> control and where control is kept in place, by defining givens
> (non-negotiables) of the Open Space. It is very beneficial to have these
> givens explicit from the moment the invitation gets shared - so people know
> how open the space is for creativity, innovation, responsibility-taking and
> decision making.
>
> If you go to Bilbao, please speak to my colleague Thomas Herrmann and the
> rest of the wonderful OST lovers! I won’t be there this time.
>
> Greetings
>
> Doris, Thomas, and Anna Caroline
>
>
>
> *Anna Caroline Türk*
> Mentor to Visionary Leaders
> +49(0)176 24872254 | TruthCircles.com <http://TruthCircles.com>
>
>
>
> Am Fr., 9. Sept. 2022 um 21:01 Uhr schrieb Birgitt Williams <
> birgitt@dalarinternational.com>:
>
>> JF, thank you for your thoughtful answer to my question. I have asked a
>> number of our clients over the years why they didn't make use of OST
>> sooner. The common answer was because they themselves weren't ready. A
>> completely different leadership capacity needed to be developed within
>> themselves and their organizations to support an organization making the
>> best use of frequent OST meetings and the resultant cultural shift. There
>> was a period of time that several of the leaders I spoke with quit their
>> jobs to take some time for themselves to develop their leadership capacity
>> to then go on and take on a different job in which they could engage in
>> their leadership differently.
>>
>> Others can speak up about trainings in working with OST that they are
>> aware of. My offer at present is a training that includes three phases: a
>> self study portion to be done at your own pace, preferably after you have
>> participated in an OST meeting; then one with one mentoring with me of two
>> three hour online sessions as we process your learning; and finally some
>> months later, participating in an online mentoring circle of peers to
>> explore what has come up for each person as a result of application of the
>> learning. It is an intense process and my focus is on working with OST for
>> maximum benefit before and after the OST meeting. I include teaching about
>> what happens when an organization makes use of frequent OST meetings...the
>> benefits and the pitfalls.
>>
>> I also smiled when you spoke about engineers. In my experience, they are
>> often some of the most enthusiastic participants in an OST meeting, more so
>> that people who pride themselves on being good with touchy-feely
>> processes 😂
>>
>> I wish you joy on your learning journey,
>> Birgitt
>>
>> [image: Picture]
>>
>>
>> *Birgitt Williams*
>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.*
>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>
>>
>> >> Learn More & Register
>> <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>> upcoming workshops here.
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:18 PM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Catherine, for your message, it sounds like a transformative
>>> experience and really looking forward to it
>>>
>>> Birgitt, about your question. While I did not use OST, I did incorporate
>>> innovative structures and collaborative practices within the groups that I
>>> could control. It was rather successful and got a wonderful response
>>> especially from the younger generation. I did something simple but
>>> transformative which was to setup governance meetings (inspired by
>>> holacracy) where we would decide how we would work together and which was
>>> a platform to raise and resolve tensions. We also shared and rotated
>>> responsibilities around various tasks. The young engineers loved that and
>>> it was incredible to see how quickly they adopted this system. It did not
>>> exactly appeal to my peers (i.e. the other managers) though.
>>> Why didn't I learn and use OST earlier? That is a question I ask
>>> myself. I did propose the methodology to projects I was involved with and
>>> went as far as getting in touch with some facilitator. I really felt that
>>> was what the project needed to get ahead but I was unable to gather
>>> interest. There was definitely no reluctance on my side on the contrary but
>>> maybe lacking a direct experience I probably did not carry the proposal
>>> with sufficient assertiveness to convince the management team. I felt it
>>> was an uphill battle because you need to explain what OST is about and the
>>> corporate types find the concept "fuzzy". This is out of ignorance of
>>> course but in my former industry (heavy industry engineering) most people
>>> do have a reluctance to practices that may appear "touchy - feely". I am
>>> not saying that this is the case for OST (even though imo touchy feely can
>>> be good) but that can be the perception. The paradox is that they need such
>>> practices as OST and are even aware that they should. They are trying to
>>> develop more collaborative approaches but they are not ready to let go of
>>> control. To be fair, when you are engineering an underground mine, you need
>>> very clear responsibility and accountability as well as some serious
>>> controls. For many this would be incompatible with collaborative self
>>> organised systems. So in my opinion the reluctance is a) out of ignorance.
>>> They cannot imagine that such an open approach could work. They would need
>>> to experience it first hand to change their mind and b) they may not admit
>>> it but they would be scared of loosing control. After all they understand
>>> that in a self organising group a traditional manager becomes redundant.
>>> They would need to understand that on the contrary a self organised group
>>> would liberate them so that they can focus on where they can bring value.
>>> In the particular case of engineering it would be important to demonstrate
>>> that you can maintain accountability. To break through you would need the
>>> support of someone pretty high up the food chain.
>>>
>>> I agree with your point, I always thought that OST would be
>>> a great starting point to let the organisation define its structure
>>> together with some coaching / training on what exists out there besides the
>>> traditional pyramid / matrix.
>>> About further training, do you have any suggestion?
>>> Cheers for now,
>>> JF
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:12 PM Birgitt Williams <
>>> birgitt@dalarinternational.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DearJean-François,
>>>> To develop your understanding of OST, to participate in an OST is a
>>>> great beginning. However, to further develop yourself and working with OST,
>>>> I recommend taking a multi-day training after you have had the experience
>>>> as a participant. While I understand that it is possible to facilitate OST
>>>> even by simply reading OST: a User's Guide by Harrison Owen, there is more
>>>> to learn about working with OST for maximum harvest and impact within an
>>>> organization. OST is a key process and in my experience one of the best
>>>> processes for building collective intelligence capacity and for determining
>>>> the best innovative organizational structures. Your investment in attending
>>>> the WOSONOS, and then furthering your development with training is going to
>>>> be one of the best investments you make towards the goal you have for your
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> I hope very much that you will answer the question I have for you
>>>> because I am really really curious. You wrote that you had been aware of
>>>> OST for some time when you were a manager in a large engineering firm and
>>>> only now that you are becoming self employed are you choosing to get more
>>>> acquainted with OST. My question is "why didn't you use OST and focus on
>>>> collective intelligence/innovative organisational structures when you were
>>>> in that management role? Your answer could assist those of us who work with
>>>> leaders and managers to better understand the 'reluctance'.
>>>>
>>>> With appreciation,
>>>> Birgitt
>>>>
>>>> [image: Picture]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Birgitt Williams*
>>>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>>>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>>>> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.*
>>>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> Learn More & Register
>>>> <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>>>> upcoming workshops here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
>>>> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
>>>> Like us on Facebook
>>>> <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=6677c35b38&e=e7zyhHfiqG>
>>>>
>>>> Connect on LinkedIn
>>>> <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=c26173f86b&e=e7zyhHfiqG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:56 AM JF <jfgouin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet
>>>>> I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
>>>>> further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
>>>>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
>>>>> large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
>>>>> view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
>>>>> innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
>>>>> such as OST.
>>>>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
>>>>> that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
>>>>> hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
>>>>> opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
>>>>> contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
>>>>> south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
>>>>> someone who want to get initiated in OST.
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>>>>> Regads,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-François (JF)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <
>>>>> mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
>>>>>> for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to
>>>>>> change business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one
>>>>>> might find important.
>>>>>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing
>>>>>> stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that
>>>>>> these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has
>>>>>> never been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested
>>>>>> to research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
>>>>>> that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
>>>>>> organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
>>>>>> the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>>>>>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force
>>>>>> in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for
>>>>>> billions of year.
>>>>>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
>>>>>> place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
>>>>>> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
>>>>>> large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
>>>>>> not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
>>>>>> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
>>>>>> men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
>>>>>> mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
>>>>>> at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
>>>>>> for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
>>>>>> we have seen it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>>>>> Love and Peace
>>>>>> mmp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi friends, how are you?
>>>>>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
>>>>>> Documentaries
>>>>>> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao
>>>>>> to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
>>>>>> Space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
>>>>>> through the OSLIST, as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>>>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>>>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>>>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>>>>> approach in order to have better meetings. *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *.... *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
>>>>>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
>>>>>> the conversation or open new questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best of all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gentza Eleder
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mundaka
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
>>>>>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
>>>>>> to get an idea :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>>>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>>>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>>>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>>>>> approach in order to have better meetings.
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope to hear from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good day,
>>>>>> Marije
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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JF
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 6:10 AM
Hello Everyone,
So here I am back from an intense and very rewarding OST experience in
Bilbao. It was indeed a very transformative moment right at the inflexion
point of my personal and professional development. The funny thing though
is that despite the novelty and all the new faces it felt like coming home.
A feeling hard to explain but I suspect people on this list would
understand.
As I was driving back on Saturday there were so many thoughts coming
through my mind I thought I could probably write a whole book about this
amazing week in Basque country. Here are some of the chapters title for
that book:
- Coming home to transformation
- Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
- Matter, time and the architecture or open space
- Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
- Open Space as social and personal therapy
- Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit for
purpose solution)
I would like to thank everyone for a very warm welcome and amazing
discussions and thank you for the encouragement from people on this list to
make the trip.
Most warm greetings and hugs,
JF
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:44 PM ingrid ebeling ebus ie@institut-ebus.de
wrote:
Dear Gentza,
well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in Bilbao. I
hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or what ever. All
the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a flight ticket.
Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you
mentioned a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I
find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative house?
Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
Ingrid
*Ingrid Ebeling, **EBUS *
*Systemic *Prozess facilitation
Executive Coaching • Large Group Intervention
Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
fon +49-511-336 03 30 • mobile +49-172-5145179
ie@institut-ebus.de
Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com:
Hi Jean Fracnçois!
I'm happy about your decission!
Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or
partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it easaier to
you!
We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the thrill
and the passion on this gathering to join us!
The "travel" is being so nice!
Best wishes!
Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our best to
join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so much for your
support!
------- Original Message -------
Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF jfgouin@gmail.com
escreveu:
Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will
definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a
while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to
commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I
will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the
space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do
appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
Thank you all,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS WilbaOS@protonmail.com wrote:
Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the
message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just
willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always
so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no
way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go
ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next
days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we
could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com wilbaos@protonmail.com)
26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how
are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all
over the world?
JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the
user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the
practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th.
Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in
Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
Gentza Eleder
Mundaka/Bilbao
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
Sent with Proton Mail https://proton.me/ secure email.
------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <
mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
Dear Jean-Francois,
yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get
into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know
about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep
down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is
entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety)
where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that
participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a
deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never
experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of
all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was
tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that
was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey
Park...
So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao
and have a great time.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I
might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some
folks are planning that for 2023...
Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
someone who want to get initiated in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de
wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
the Agency for Youth in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/
.
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
the OSLIST, as follows:
....
*For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings. *
*.... *
*Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
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Hello Everyone,
So here I am back from an intense and very rewarding OST experience in
Bilbao. It was indeed a very transformative moment right at the inflexion
point of my personal and professional development. The funny thing though
is that despite the novelty and all the new faces it felt like coming home.
A feeling hard to explain but I suspect people on this list would
understand.
As I was driving back on Saturday there were so many thoughts coming
through my mind I thought I could probably write a whole book about this
amazing week in Basque country. Here are some of the chapters title for
that book:
- Coming home to transformation
- Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
- Matter, time and the architecture or open space
- Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
- Open Space as social and personal therapy
- Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit for
purpose solution)
I would like to thank everyone for a very warm welcome and amazing
discussions and thank you for the encouragement from people on this list to
make the trip.
Most warm greetings and hugs,
JF
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:44 PM ingrid ebeling ebus <ie@institut-ebus.de>
wrote:
> Dear Gentza,
>
> well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in Bilbao. I
> hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or what ever. All
> the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a flight ticket.
> Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you
> mentioned a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I
> find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative house?
>
> Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
>
> Ingrid
>
>
> *Ingrid Ebeling, **EBUS *
> *Systemic **Prozess facilitation*
> Executive Coaching • Large Group Intervention
>
> Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
> fon +49-511-336 03 30 • mobile +49-172-5145179
> ie@institut-ebus.de
>
>
> Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder <Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com>:
>
>
> Hi Jean Fracnçois!
>
> I'm happy about your decission!
> Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
>
> Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or
> partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it easaier to
> you!
>
>
> We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the thrill
> and the passion on this gathering to join us!
>
> The "travel" is being so nice!
>
> Best wishes!
>
> Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
> Mundaka
> (+0034) 638.733.223
>
> ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our best to
> join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so much for your
> support!
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF <jfgouin@gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
> Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I will
> definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
> Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has been a
> while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much I am able to
> commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to participate to the OSonOS I
> will have to see about the earlier session. If so yes helping preparing the
> space is probably a good idea. I have organised concerts before and I do
> appreciate the thrill of anticipation.
> Thank you all,
> JF
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS <WilbaOS@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on the
>> message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings, and we just
>> willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an explanation, that's it!
>>
>> I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
>>
>> Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been always
>> so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in which we had no
>> way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few colleagues said "go
>> ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our small dream.
>>
>> Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
>> meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during next
>> days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for whatever we
>> could help you: *wilbaos@protonmail.com <wilbaos@protonmail.com>*)
>>
>>
>> 26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times: how
>> are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
>>
>> 29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice all
>> over the world?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology: the
>> user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us in the
>> practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and / or 28th.
>> Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
>>
>> Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS in
>> Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their interviews.
>>
>> Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
>>
>> Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
>>
>> Gentza Eleder
>> Mundaka/Bilbao
>> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
>>
>> https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz <
>> mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Jean-Francois,
>>
>> yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to get
>> into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
>> In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
>> learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we already know
>> about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it being burried deep
>> down.
>> In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything is
>> entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day variety)
>> where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed, that
>> participants could no longer do without open space.
>> So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to take a
>> deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that you never
>> experienced before.
>> For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3 decades of
>> all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew everything. It was
>> tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it still is. By the way, that
>> was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey
>> Park...
>>
>> So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards Bilbao
>> and have a great time.
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> mmp
>>
>> PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
>>
>> https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>>
>>
>> and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with you.
>> At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time here... I
>> might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in Berlin, I hear some
>> folks are planning that for 2023...
>>
>> Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
>>
>> Hello All,
>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years. Yet I
>> have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this interest
>> further and actually participate and be involved with OST events.
>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in a
>> large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager with a
>> view to help build collective intelligence in organisations through
>> innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and various practices
>> such as OST.
>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told before
>> that the best and only way to learn about OST is to experience it first
>> hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that this would be a great eye
>> opener for me as well as a growing opportunity. Therefore I am
>> contemplating participating in the next OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the
>> south of France) but I want to make sure that this is appropriate for
>> someone who want to get initiated in OST.
>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>> Regads,
>>
>> Jean-François (JF)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>>
>>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space for
>>> the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost to change
>>> business culture, have better meetings or all the other things one might
>>> find important.
>>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing stuff
>>> every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find that these
>>> were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that happens has never
>>> been grasped. And participants are regularily simply not interested to
>>> research this, they just want to get going. The important observation is
>>> that it works. And if it is used regularily in an organisation those
>>> organisations change all by themselves (see the decade long experiment in
>>> the Agency for Youth in Europe).
>>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force in
>>> the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for billions
>>> of year.
>>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
>>> place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
>>> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the matter,
>>> large diversity of participants, high conflict and high urgency to act and,
>>> not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>>
>>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
>>> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists, medicine
>>> men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects, teachers,
>>> mothers and very important: children. If you have children and youngsters
>>> at the event among all the others you will find that an amazing ingredient
>>> for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and it needs not to be researched,
>>> we have seen it.
>>>
>>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the world.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>> Love and Peace
>>> mmp
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>>
>>> Hi friends, how are you?
>>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz Documentaries
>>> <https://www.goodhabitz.com/en-gb/why-goodhabitz/doing-things-differently/goodhabitz-moments/>
>>> .
>>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao to
>>> film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on Open
>>> Space.
>>>
>>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread through
>>> the OSLIST, as follows:
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>>
>>> *For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>> approach in order to have better meetings. *
>>>
>>> *.... *
>>>
>>>
>>> *Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event? *
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
>>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>>
>>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly in
>>> the conversation or open new questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best of all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Gentza Eleder
>>>
>>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>>
>>> Mundaka
>>>
>>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
>>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>>
>>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>>
>>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just to
>>> get an idea :)
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert. Or
>>> someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to interview
>>> such an expert about how you can change the business culture or the
>>> approach in order to have better meetings.
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>>
>>> Hope to hear from you.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>>
>>> Have a good day,
>>> Marije
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael M Pannwitz
>>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
>>> +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>> Michael M Pannwitz
>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
>> +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de
>>
>>
>>
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Thomas Perret
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 12:13 PM
Open Space as social therapy!
I love it. Especially as a chapter in a book.
I feel your message and I look forward to my next coming home to
transformation.
Best, Thomas
On 2022-10-04 09:10, JF wrote:
Hello Everyone,
So here I am back from an intense and very rewarding OST experience in
Bilbao. It was indeed a very transformative moment right at the
inflexion point of my personal and professional development. The funny
thing though is that despite the novelty and all the new faces it felt
like coming home. A feeling hard to explain but I suspect people on
this list would understand.
As I was driving back on Saturday there were so many thoughts coming
through my mind I thought I could probably write a whole book about
this amazing week in Basque country. Here are some of the chapters
title for that book:
* Coming home to transformation
* Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
* Matter, time and the architecture or open space
* Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
* Open Space as social and personal therapy
* Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit
for purpose solution)
I would like to thank everyone for a very warm welcome and amazing
discussions and thank you for the encouragement from people on this
list to make the trip.
Most warm greetings and hugs,
JF
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:44 PM ingrid ebeling ebus
ie@institut-ebus.de wrote:
Dear Gentza,
well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in
Bilbao. I hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or
what ever. All the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a
flight ticket.
Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you mentioned
a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I
find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative
house?
Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
Ingrid
Ingrid Ebeling, EBUS
Systemic Prozess facilitation Executive Coaching • Large Group
Intervention
Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
fon +49-511-336 03 30 • mobile +49-172-5145179
ie@institut-ebus.de
Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder
Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com:
Hi Jean Fracnçois!
I'm happy about your decission!
Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or
partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it
easaier to you!
We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the
thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
The "travel" is being so nice!
Best wishes!
Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our
best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so
much for your support!
------- Original Message -------
Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF
jfgouin@gmail.com escreveu:
Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I
will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has
been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much
I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to
participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier
session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good
idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the
thrill of anticipation.
Thank you all,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS WilbaOS@protonmail.com
wrote:
Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on
the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings,
and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an
explanation, that's it!
I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been
always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in
which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few
colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our
small dream.
Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during
next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for
whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com)
26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times:
how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice
all over the world?
JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology:
the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us
in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and
/ or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS
in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their
interviews.
Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
Gentza Eleder
Mundaka/Bilbao
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
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------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:
Dear Jean-Francois,
yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to
get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we
already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it
being burried deep down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything
is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day
variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed,
that participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to
take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that
you never experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3
decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew
everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it
still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison
Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards
Bilbao and have a great time.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with
you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time
here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in
Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years.
Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this
interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST
events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in
a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager
with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations
through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and
various practices such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told
before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to
experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that
this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing
opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next
OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make
sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated
in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost
to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other
things one might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing
stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find
that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that
happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily
simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going.
The important observation is that it works. And if it is used
regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by
themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth
in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force
in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for
billions of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the
matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high
urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists,
medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects,
teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children
and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that
an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and
it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries [2].
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao
to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on
Open Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
interview such an expert about how you can change the business
culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly
in the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
to get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
interview such an expert about how you can change the business
culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
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Open Space as social therapy!
I love it. Especially as a chapter in a book.
I feel your message and I look forward to my next coming home to
transformation.
Best, Thomas
On 2022-10-04 09:10, JF wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> So here I am back from an intense and very rewarding OST experience in
> Bilbao. It was indeed a very transformative moment right at the
> inflexion point of my personal and professional development. The funny
> thing though is that despite the novelty and all the new faces it felt
> like coming home. A feeling hard to explain but I suspect people on
> this list would understand.
>
> As I was driving back on Saturday there were so many thoughts coming
> through my mind I thought I could probably write a whole book about
> this amazing week in Basque country. Here are some of the chapters
> title for that book:
>
> * Coming home to transformation
> * Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
> * Matter, time and the architecture or open space
> * Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
> * Open Space as social and personal therapy
> * Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit
> for purpose solution)
>
> I would like to thank everyone for a very warm welcome and amazing
> discussions and thank you for the encouragement from people on this
> list to make the trip.
>
> Most warm greetings and hugs,
> JF
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:44 PM ingrid ebeling ebus
> <ie@institut-ebus.de> wrote:
>
>> Dear Gentza,
>>
>> well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in
>> Bilbao. I hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or
>> what ever. All the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a
>> flight ticket.
>> Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you mentioned
>> a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I
>> find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative
>> house?
>>
>> Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
>>
>> Ingrid
>>
>> Ingrid Ebeling, EBUS
>>
>> Systemic Prozess facilitation Executive Coaching • Large Group
>> Intervention
>>
>> Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
>> fon +49-511-336 03 30 • mobile +49-172-5145179
>> ie@institut-ebus.de
>>
>> Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder
>> <Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Jean Fracnçois!
>>
>> I'm happy about your decission!
>> Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
>> Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or
>> partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it
>> easaier to you!
>>
>>
>> We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the
>> thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
>>
>> The "travel" is being so nice!
>>
>> Best wishes!
>>
>> Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
>>
>> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
>>
>> Mundaka
>>
>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>
>> ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our
>> best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so
>> much for your support!
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>>
>> Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF
>> <jfgouin@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>> Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I
>> will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
>> Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has
>> been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much
>> I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to
>> participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier
>> session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good
>> idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the
>> thrill of anticipation.
>> Thank you all,
>> JF
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS <WilbaOS@protonmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on
>> the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings,
>> and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an
>> explanation, that's it!
>>
>> I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
>>
>> Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been
>> always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in
>> which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few
>> colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our
>> small dream.
>>
>> Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
>> meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during
>> next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for
>> whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com)
>>
>> 26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times:
>> how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
>>
>> 29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice
>> all over the world?
>>
>>
>> JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology:
>> the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us
>> in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and
>> / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
>>
>> Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS
>> in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their
>> interviews.
>>
>> Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
>>
>> Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
>>
>> Gentza Eleder
>> Mundaka/Bilbao
>>
>> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
>>
>> https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail [1] secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz
>> <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Jean-Francois,
>>
>> yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to
>> get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
>> In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
>> learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we
>> already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it
>> being burried deep down.
>> In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything
>> is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day
>> variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed,
>> that participants could no longer do without open space.
>> So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to
>> take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that
>> you never experienced before.
>> For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3
>> decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew
>> everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it
>> still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison
>> Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
>>
>> So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards
>> Bilbao and have a great time.
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> mmp
>>
>> PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
>> https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>> and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with
>> you.
>> At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time
>> here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in
>> Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
>>
>> Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
>>
>> Hello All,
>> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years.
>> Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this
>> interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST
>> events.
>> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in
>> a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager
>> with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations
>> through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and
>> various practices such as OST.
>> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told
>> before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to
>> experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that
>> this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing
>> opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next
>> OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make
>> sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated
>> in OST.
>> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
>> Regads,
>>
>> Jean-François (JF)
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz
>> <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Gentza Eleder,
>>
>> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
>> for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost
>> to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other
>> things one might find important.
>> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing
>> stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find
>> that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that
>> happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily
>> simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going.
>> The important observation is that it works. And if it is used
>> regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by
>> themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth
>> in Europe).
>> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force
>> in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for
>> billions of year.
>> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
>> place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
>> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the
>> matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high
>> urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
>>
>> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
>> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists,
>> medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects,
>> teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children
>> and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that
>> an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and
>> it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
>>
>> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
>> world.
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> Love and Peace
>> mmp
>>
>> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
>>
>> Hi friends, how are you?
>> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
>> Documentaries [2].
>> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao
>> to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on
>> Open Space.
>>
>> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
>> through the OSLIST, as follows:
>>
>> ....
>>
>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
>> Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
>> interview such an expert about how you can change the business
>> culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
>>
>> ....
>>
>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>
>> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
>> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
>>
>> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly
>> in the conversation or open new questions.
>>
>> Best of all,
>>
>> Gentza Eleder
>>
>> BuM_31 unJobbing
>>
>> Mundaka
>>
>> (+0034) 638.733.223
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
>> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Gentza, good morning!
>>
>> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
>>
>> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
>> to get an idea :)
>>
>> ....
>>
>> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
>> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
>> Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
>> interview such an expert about how you can change the business
>> culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
>>
>> ....
>>
>> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
>>
>> Hope to hear from you.
>>
>> Thanks for your time and efforts!
>>
>> Have a good day,
>> Marije
>>
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Anna Caroline Türk
Fri, Oct 7, 2022 5:00 PM
Hi JF,
I am happy you enjoyed your Open Space experience in Bilbao.
I wondering if your list speaks to your week in Bilbao or to your
experience of Open Space Technology?
"Your List / potential chapters of a book" include:
- Coming home to transformation
- Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
- Matter, time and the architecture or open space
- Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
- Open Space as social and personal therapy
- Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit for
purpose solution)
You spoke about your perceptions that leaders might be afraid of applying
OST in the corporate context.
I feel some resistance when I read "sexuality" and "therapy" - can you
speak more to your points so I can understand this better?
When I think of a list/ chapters about OST I can imagine including:
- invitation
- circle
- breath
- emergence
- energy
- creation
- power
- connection
- intimacy
- genuine connections
- wisdom
- actions
What would others add to their list/chapter of a book about Open Space
Technology?
Greetings from Berlin
Anna Caroline
Anna Caroline Türk
Mentor to Visionary Leaders
+49(0)176 24872254 | TruthCircles.com http://TruthCircles.com
Am Di., 4. Okt. 2022 um 14:14 Uhr schrieb Thomas Perret <thomas@peerland.fi
Open Space as social therapy!
I love it. Especially as a chapter in a book.
I feel your message and I look forward to my next coming home to
transformation.
Best, Thomas
On 2022-10-04 09:10, JF wrote:
Hello Everyone,
So here I am back from an intense and very rewarding OST experience in
Bilbao. It was indeed a very transformative moment right at the
inflexion point of my personal and professional development. The funny
thing though is that despite the novelty and all the new faces it felt
like coming home. A feeling hard to explain but I suspect people on
this list would understand.
As I was driving back on Saturday there were so many thoughts coming
through my mind I thought I could probably write a whole book about
this amazing week in Basque country. Here are some of the chapters
title for that book:
* Coming home to transformation
* Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
* Matter, time and the architecture or open space
* Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
* Open Space as social and personal therapy
* Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit
for purpose solution)
I would like to thank everyone for a very warm welcome and amazing
discussions and thank you for the encouragement from people on this
list to make the trip.
Most warm greetings and hugs,
JF
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:44 PM ingrid ebeling ebus
ie@institut-ebus.de wrote:
Dear Gentza,
well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in
Bilbao. I hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or
what ever. All the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a
flight ticket.
Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you mentioned
a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I
find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative
house?
Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
Ingrid
Ingrid Ebeling, EBUS
Systemic Prozess facilitation Executive Coaching • Large Group
Intervention
Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
fon +49-511-336 03 30 • mobile +49-172-5145179
ie@institut-ebus.de
Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder
Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com:
Hi Jean Fracnçois!
I'm happy about your decission!
Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or
partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it
easaier to you!
We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the
thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
The "travel" is being so nice!
Best wishes!
Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our
best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so
much for your support!
------- Original Message -------
Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF
jfgouin@gmail.com escreveu:
Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I
will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has
been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much
I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to
participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier
session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good
idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the
thrill of anticipation.
Thank you all,
JF
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS WilbaOS@protonmail.com
wrote:
Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on
the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings,
and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an
explanation, that's it!
I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been
always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in
which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few
colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our
small dream.
Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during
next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for
whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com)
26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times:
how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice
all over the world?
JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology:
the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us
in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and
/ or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS
in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their
interviews.
Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
Gentza Eleder
Mundaka/Bilbao
http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
Sent with Proton Mail [1] secure email.
------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:
Dear Jean-Francois,
yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to
get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we
already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it
being burried deep down.
In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything
is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day
variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed,
that participants could no longer do without open space.
So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to
take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that
you never experienced before.
For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3
decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew
everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it
still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison
Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards
Bilbao and have a great time.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with
you.
At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time
here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in
Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
Hello All,
I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years.
Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this
interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST
events.
I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in
a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager
with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations
through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and
various practices such as OST.
I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told
before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to
experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that
this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing
opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next
OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make
sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated
in OST.
Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
Regads,
Jean-François (JF)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz@posteo.de wrote:
Dear Gentza Eleder,
you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost
to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other
things one might find important.
It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing
stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find
that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that
happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily
simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going.
The important observation is that it works. And if it is used
regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by
themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth
in Europe).
Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force
in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for
billions of year.
It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the
matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high
urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists,
medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects,
teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children
and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that
an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and
it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
world.
Greetings from Berlin
Love and Peace
mmp
Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
Hi friends, how are you?
We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
Documentaries [2].
They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao
to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on
Open Space.
Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
through the OSLIST, as follows:
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
interview such an expert about how you can change the business
culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly
in the conversation or open new questions.
Best of all,
Gentza Eleder
BuM_31 unJobbing
Mundaka
(+0034) 638.733.223
------- Original Message -------
Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
info.marijekuipers@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Gentza, good morning!
How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
to get an idea :)
....
For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
interview such an expert about how you can change the business
culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
....
Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks for your time and efforts!
Have a good day,
Marije
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Hi JF,
I am happy you enjoyed your Open Space experience in Bilbao.
I wondering if your list speaks to your week in Bilbao or to your
experience of Open Space Technology?
"Your List / potential chapters of a book" include:
- Coming home to transformation
- Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
- Matter, time and the architecture or open space
- Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
- Open Space as social and personal therapy
- Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit for
purpose solution)
You spoke about your perceptions that leaders might be afraid of applying
OST in the corporate context.
I feel some resistance when I read "sexuality" and "therapy" - can you
speak more to your points so I can understand this better?
When I think of a list/ chapters about OST I can imagine including:
- invitation
- circle
- breath
- emergence
- energy
- creation
- power
- connection
- intimacy
- genuine connections
- wisdom
- actions
What would others add to their list/chapter of a book about Open Space
Technology?
Greetings from Berlin
Anna Caroline
*Anna Caroline Türk*
Mentor to Visionary Leaders
+49(0)176 24872254 | TruthCircles.com <http://TruthCircles.com>
Am Di., 4. Okt. 2022 um 14:14 Uhr schrieb Thomas Perret <thomas@peerland.fi
>:
> Open Space as social therapy!
>
> I love it. Especially as a chapter in a book.
>
> I feel your message and I look forward to my next coming home to
> transformation.
>
> Best, Thomas
>
> On 2022-10-04 09:10, JF wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > So here I am back from an intense and very rewarding OST experience in
> > Bilbao. It was indeed a very transformative moment right at the
> > inflexion point of my personal and professional development. The funny
> > thing though is that despite the novelty and all the new faces it felt
> > like coming home. A feeling hard to explain but I suspect people on
> > this list would understand.
> >
> > As I was driving back on Saturday there were so many thoughts coming
> > through my mind I thought I could probably write a whole book about
> > this amazing week in Basque country. Here are some of the chapters
> > title for that book:
> >
> > * Coming home to transformation
> > * Energy, sexuality and quantum physics
> > * Matter, time and the architecture or open space
> > * Can touchy-feely break corporate dogmatic straitjacket
> > * Open Space as social and personal therapy
> > * Comprehensiveness and perceived randomness (or spontaneity as fit
> > for purpose solution)
> >
> > I would like to thank everyone for a very warm welcome and amazing
> > discussions and thank you for the encouragement from people on this
> > list to make the trip.
> >
> > Most warm greetings and hugs,
> > JF
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 6:44 PM ingrid ebeling ebus
> > <ie@institut-ebus.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Gentza,
> >>
> >> well, yesterday I decided to come and join the WOSonOS 2022 in
> >> Bilbao. I hesitated for quite a while, taking the train 32 hours or
> >> what ever. All the sudden it seemed to be easy and got myself a
> >> flight ticket.
> >> Regarding the accommodation I need some help. Earlier you mentioned
> >> a centric new hostel 5 minutes´ walk from the WOSonOS. How can I
> >> find out, whether it is still available or find an alternative
> >> house?
> >>
> >> Now I’m looking forward seeing you all.
> >>
> >> Ingrid
> >>
> >> Ingrid Ebeling, EBUS
> >>
> >> Systemic Prozess facilitation Executive Coaching • Large Group
> >> Intervention
> >>
> >> Am Alten Gehäge 6 • D- 30657 Hannover • Germany
> >> fon +49-511-336 03 30 • mobile +49-172-5145179
> >> ie@institut-ebus.de
> >>
> >> Am 09.09.2022 um 10:31 schrieb Gentza Eleder
> >> <Gentza.Eleder@protonmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Hi Jean Fracnçois!
> >>
> >> I'm happy about your decission!
> >> Let us know if there's anything we could help you with.
> >> Same for anyone that still is considering to take part totally or
> >> partially in the WOS week in Bilbao, we are happy to make it
> >> easaier to you!
> >>
> >>
> >> We are passionate about making it easier to anyone that feels the
> >> thrill and the passion on this gathering to join us!
> >>
> >> The "travel" is being so nice!
> >>
> >> Best wishes!
> >>
> >> Gentza Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
> >>
> >> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
> >>
> >> Mundaka
> >>
> >> (+0034) 638.733.223
> >>
> >> ps. Michael, we'll keep you in our hearts Bilbao, and will do our
> >> best to join you some day, maybe next year, in Berlin! Thanks so
> >> much for your support!
> >>
> >> ------- Original Message -------
> >>
> >> Em quinta-feira, 8 de setembro de 2022 às 22:25, JF
> >> <jfgouin@gmail.com> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Thank you so much Michael for your warm and inspiring message. I
> >> will definitely be in Bilbao, and am looking forward to it.
> >> Gentza, I had read the OST user guide a few year's back but it has
> >> been a while so a good suggestion to re-read it. I will see how much
> >> I am able to commit for the Bilbao OS. For sure I'ld like to
> >> participate to the OSonOS I will have to see about the earlier
> >> session. If so yes helping preparing the space is probably a good
> >> idea. I have organised concerts before and I do appreciate the
> >> thrill of anticipation.
> >> Thank you all,
> >> JF
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM WilbaOS <WilbaOS@protonmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael, thanks so much, first of all for your shiny explanation on
> >> the message 08.09 on self-organization taken place in OST meetings,
> >> and we just willing to re-enjoy this, not so much looking for an
> >> explanation, that's it!
> >>
> >> I'm sure we'll witness this magic soon in Bilbao (jsut 3 weeks!)).
> >>
> >> Dear Jean François, my previous experience with WOSonOS has been
> >> always so rewarding, that, feeling a bit sad after two years in
> >> which we had no way to ressemble, I asked around and, after a few
> >> colleagues said "go ahead" in December, we started joyfully with our
> >> small dream.
> >>
> >> Now we are happy to see that around 40 people we'll be enjoying 2 OS
> >> meetings in Bilbao soon. We espce that many more will sign up during
> >> next days (if some of you are considering it, please contact us for
> >> whatever we could help you: wilbaos@protonmail.com)
> >>
> >> 26+27th of September, withe the ample question: 2020+ Complex times:
> >> how are we going ahead in cooperative ways?
> >>
> >> 29th+30th of September: how can we refine and expand our OS practice
> >> all over the world?
> >>
> >>
> >> JF, I invite you, if having time, to read "Open Space Technology:
> >> the user's guide (Harrison Owen)", and if you are willing, join us
> >> in the practice of preparing the space during the 23th September and
> >> / or 28th. Let us know if we can anyhow make your coming easier!
> >>
> >> Regarding the Goodhabitz documentary, they'll be coming to WOSonOS
> >> in Bilbao, and we'll thank some of you answering to their
> >> interviews.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to meet you soon in Bilbao!
> >>
> >> Thansk for spreading the heartly invitation!
> >>
> >> Gentza Eleder
> >> Mundaka/Bilbao
> >>
> >> http://guneirekiarenlagunak.weebly.com/
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/OpenSpace_EH
> >>
> >> Sent with Proton Mail [1] secure email.
> >>
> >> ------- Original Message -------
> >> On Thursday, September 8th, 2022 at 16:45, Michael M Pannwitz
> >> <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Jean-Francois,
> >>
> >> yes, experiencing open space in an OST setting is the best way to
> >> get into this experiment which will be lifelong, I guarantee.
> >> In fact, some folks know that open space and the approach can not be
> >> learned or taught but it can be remembered. In other words, we
> >> already know about it. But all kind of circumstances have led to it
> >> being burried deep down.
> >> In so called open space "Trainings" where 97% of the time everything
> >> is entirely selforganizing, lasting 3 to 5 days (I love the 5 day
> >> variety) where the trainers are mostly invisible, its been observed,
> >> that participants could no longer do without open space.
> >> So, Bilbao is also a variety of "training" with the opportunity to
> >> take a deep dive and upon surfacing you will breathe something that
> >> you never experienced before.
> >> For me, it was life changing. And that at the age of 56 with 3
> >> decades of all kinds of OD behing me and pretty sure that I knew
> >> everything. It was tough work to drop my old habits and in a way it
> >> still is. By the way, that was in 1996 at a "training" with Harrison
> >> Owen and Romy Shovelton in Roffey Park...
> >>
> >> So, get on your motorcycle or start walking or hitchhiking towards
> >> Bilbao and have a great time.
> >>
> >> Greetings from Berlin
> >> mmp
> >>
> >> PS: Dont forget to include yourself in the Open Space World Map
> >> https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
> >> and add a picture so I can see you when writing corresponding with
> >> you.
> >> At my age I rarely leave my neighborhood, but have a grand time
> >> here... I might leave it once more if the next WOSonOS will be in
> >> Berlin, I hear some folks are planning that for 2023...
> >>
> >> Am 08.09.2022 um 14:56 schrieb JF:
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >> I have been on this list and be interested in OST for many years.
> >> Yet I have never (until now) taken the opportunity to develop this
> >> interest further and actually participate and be involved with OST
> >> events.
> >> I am currently in a professional transition from being a manager in
> >> a large engineering firm to becoming self employed project manager
> >> with a view to help build collective intelligence in organisations
> >> through innovative organisational structures (e.g. holacracy) and
> >> various practices such as OST.
> >> I would like to learn and experience more and I have been told
> >> before that the best and only way to learn about OST is to
> >> experience it first hand. That makes a lot of sense and I think that
> >> this would be a great eye opener for me as well as a growing
> >> opportunity. Therefore I am contemplating participating in the next
> >> OSonOS in Bilbao (I live in the south of France) but I want to make
> >> sure that this is appropriate for someone who want to get initiated
> >> in OST.
> >> Thanks in advance for your comments and / or advice.
> >> Regads,
> >>
> >> Jean-François (JF)
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM Michael M Pannwitz
> >> <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Gentza Eleder,
> >>
> >> you might tell them that ost is an approach to expand time and space
> >> for the unfolding of selforganisation. It is not an intention of ost
> >> to change business culture, have better meetings or all the other
> >> things one might find important.
> >> It has been noticed however, that ost events bring about amazing
> >> stuff every time those gatherings are convened and that folks find
> >> that these were the best meetings they ever experienced. How that
> >> happens has never been grasped. And participants are regularily
> >> simply not interested to research this, they just want to get going.
> >> The important observation is that it works. And if it is used
> >> regularily in an organisation those organisations change all by
> >> themselves (see the decade long experiment in the Agency for Youth
> >> in Europe).
> >> Selforganisation has never been grasped but it is the central force
> >> in the unfolding of everything that has happened on this planet for
> >> billions of year.
> >> It has been observed that some very few prerequisites need to be in
> >> place to get the the right conditions for getting this experiment in
> >> selforganisation to unfold: sticky problem, high complexity of the
> >> matter, large diversity of participants, high conflict and high
> >> urgency to act and, not to forget, voluntarty participation.
> >>
> >> Everyone attending our event in Bilbao is an expert, even experts in
> >> attendance that are zoologists, psychologists, anthropologists,
> >> medicine men, sociologists, cooks, gardeners, plumbers, architects,
> >> teachers, mothers and very important: children. If you have children
> >> and youngsters at the event among all the others you will find that
> >> an amazing ingredient for the diversity soup. Nobody knows why and
> >> it needs not to be researched, we have seen it.
> >>
> >> Hope you get a great film that is shown in all cinemas around the
> >> world.
> >>
> >> Greetings from Berlin
> >> Love and Peace
> >> mmp
> >>
> >> Am 23.08.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Gentza Eleder:
> >>
> >> Hi friends, how are you?
> >> We are having since July some converations with GoodHabitz
> >> Documentaries [2].
> >> They are very interested in OST and are planning to come to Bilbao
> >> to film and make some interviews during the 28th World Open Space on
> >> Open Space.
> >>
> >> Now, they asked something that I thought would be best to spread
> >> through the OSLIST, as follows:
> >>
> >> ....
> >>
> >> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
> >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
> >> Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
> >> interview such an expert about how you can change the business
> >> culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
> >>
> >> ....
> >>
> >> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
> >>
> >> Would you, please, specially if planning to join as in Bilbao in
> >> September, take some time to answer Marije (you can add us, as cc)?
> >>
> >> I've proposed her to join herself the OSLIST to take part directly
> >> in the conversation or open new questions.
> >>
> >> Best of all,
> >>
> >> Gentza Eleder
> >>
> >> BuM_31 unJobbing
> >>
> >> Mundaka
> >>
> >> (+0034) 638.733.223
> >>
> >> ------- Original Message -------
> >> Em terça-feira, 23 de agosto de 2022 às 10:10, Marije Kuipers
> >> <info.marijekuipers@gmail.com> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Hi Gentza, good morning!
> >>
> >> How are you? Thanks for your email. Great answers!
> >>
> >> I forgot to ask, have you been filmed before? And is it online? Just
> >> to get an idea :)
> >>
> >> ....
> >>
> >> For the film we are still looking for anybody who is a
> >> psychologist/anthropologist/sociologist or business culture expert.
> >> Or someone with a lot of knowledge in this field. We would like to
> >> interview such an expert about how you can change the business
> >> culture or the approach in order to have better meetings.
> >>
> >> ....
> >>
> >> Do you know if there are more experts who are attending the event?
> >>
> >> Hope to hear from you.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your time and efforts!
> >>
> >> Have a good day,
> >> Marije
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> > +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de
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> >
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> >
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