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TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings

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Thomas Herrmann
Wed, Sep 3, 2025 2:27 PM

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking "any questions?" Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.commailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Welcome

Thomas Herrmann
Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.commailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.comhttp://www.openspaceconsulting.com/ / www.5toFold.comhttp://www.5tofold.com/
Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsulthttp://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.
We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

Trainings/workshops (Info & registrationhttps://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands
23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)
17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.
6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026
20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige
27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring - leadership and facilitation incl Open Space
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I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested. Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings? Description: I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking "any questions?" Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com<mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> Welcome Thomas Herrmann Open Space Consulting AB Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com<mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com<http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> / www.5toFold.com<http://www.5tofold.com/> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult<http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. Trainings/workshops (Info & registration<https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>) 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya 2026 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring - leadership and facilitation incl Open Space [cid:image001.png@01DC1CEE.571461E0]
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Michael M Pannwitz
Wed, Sep 3, 2025 5:06 PM

Dear Thomas Herrmann,

for me its simple:

Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff).
Profit is their goal.

And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional
consultant said:
"If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can
close down."
(It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case).

Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag.

I am interested in spreading open space work.
What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy.

I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in
cooperative participative practice.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I
welcome you to join if you are interested.

Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat
where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all
gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative
meetings?

Description:

I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative
meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.

The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout
Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same...
Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any
questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation
is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your
thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a
transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle
(passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to
share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying
Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a
summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.

I am using my own link for this meeting:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email:
thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Welcome

Thomas Herrmann

Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden

Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81

Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com
http://www.openspaceconsulting.com// www.5toFold.com
http://www.5tofold.com/

Profile on LinkedIn:
www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult
http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och
samhälle.

/We release lifepower in people, organizations and society./

Trainings/workshops (Info & registration
https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands

23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)

17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.

6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026

20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige

27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring
– leadership and facilitation incl Open Space

OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org
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Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
+49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look
https://www.wosonos2025.org/

Dear Thomas Herrmann, for me its simple: Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff). Profit is their goal. And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said: "If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down." (It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case). Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag. I am interested in spreading open space work. What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy. I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in cooperative participative practice. Greetings from Berlin mmp Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList: > > I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I > welcome you to join if you are interested. > > Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat > where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens > > TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all > gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative > meetings? > > Description: > > I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative > meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. > > The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout > Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... > Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any > questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation > is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your > thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a > transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle > (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to > share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying > Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a > summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. > > I am using my own link for this meeting: > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon > <https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon> > > Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: > thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > > Welcome > > Thomas Herrmann > > Open Space Consulting AB > > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden > > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 > > Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> > > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com > <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/>/ www.5toFold.com > <http://www.5tofold.com/> > > Profile on LinkedIn: > www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> > > Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och > samhälle. > > /We release lifepower in people, organizations and society./ > > *Trainings/workshops (Info & registration > <https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>)* > > 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > > 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) > > 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. > > 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya > > 2026 > > 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige > > 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > > 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > Continous opportunities for *online learning - selfstudy + mentoring* > – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space > > > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here:https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look https://www.wosonos2025.org/
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Eva P Svensson
Wed, Sep 3, 2025 6:21 PM

”it’s simple but not easy” MMP - that was spot on ! Thank you🥰

:o)

Eva

Sänt från min IPhone

3 sep. 2025 kl. 19:06 skrev Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>:

  Dear Thomas Herrmann,

for me its simple:

Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff).
Profit is their goal.

And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said:
"If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down."
(It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case).

Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag.

I am interested in spreading open space work.
What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy.

I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in
cooperative participative practice.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

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div.WordSection1 { page: WordSection1; }I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.

Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:

I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.

The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.

I am using my own link for this meeting:  https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Welcome

Thomas Herrmann

Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden

Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81

Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com / www.5toFold.com

Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.

We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

Trainings/workshops (Info & registration)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands

23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)

17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.

6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026

20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige

27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space

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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72" signature-switch-id="886ea44f-b30f-4cd4-82dc-0d40cf7e04df">Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
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WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look
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Peggy Holman
Wed, Sep 3, 2025 7:08 PM

Hi Thomas,

Your session is on my calendar! Not that I have any great insights. Still, it is a conversation worth having.

Warmly,
Peggy

On Sep 3, 2025, at 11:21 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

”it’s simple but not easy” MMP - that was spot on ! Thank you🥰

:o)
Eva

Sänt från min IPhone

3 sep. 2025 kl. 19:06 skrev Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org>:

 Dear Thomas Herrmann,

for me its simple:

Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff).
Profit is their goal.

And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said:
"If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down."
(It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case).

Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag.

I am interested in spreading open space work.
What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy.

I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in
cooperative participative practice.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again:https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Welcome

Thomas Herrmann
Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/ / www.5toFold.com http://www.5tofold.com/
Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.
We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

Trainings/workshops (Info & registration https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands
23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)
17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.
6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026
20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige
27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space
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+49 30 7728000    mmpannwitz@posteo.de mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de

WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look
https://www.wosonos2025.org/
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Hi Thomas, Your session is on my calendar! Not that I have any great insights. Still, it is a conversation worth having. Warmly, Peggy > On Sep 3, 2025, at 11:21 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > > ”it’s simple but not easy” MMP - that was spot on ! Thank you🥰 > > :o) > Eva > > Sänt från min IPhone > >> 3 sep. 2025 kl. 19:06 skrev Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>>: >> >>  Dear Thomas Herrmann, >> >> for me its simple: >> >> Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff). >> Profit is their goal. >> >> And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said: >> "If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down." >> (It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case). >> >> Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag. >> >> I am interested in spreading open space work. >> What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy. >> >> I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in >> cooperative participative practice. >> >> Greetings from Berlin >> mmp >> >> >> Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList: >>> I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested. >>> Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again:https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens >>> >>> TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings? >>> >>> Description: >>> I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. >>> The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. >>> I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon >>> >>> Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> >>> Welcome >>> >>> Thomas Herrmann >>> Open Space Consulting AB >>> >>> Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden >>> Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 >>> Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> >>> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> / www.5toFold.com <http://www.5tofold.com/> >>> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> >>> >>> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. >>> We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. >>> >>> Trainings/workshops (Info & registration <https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>) >>> >>> 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands >>> 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige >>> 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) >>> 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. >>> 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya >>> >>> 2026 >>> 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige >>> 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige >>> 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands >>> >>> Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space >>> <image001.png> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >> >> Michael M Pannwitz >> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany >> +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de <mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de> >> >> WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look >> https://www.wosonos2025.org/ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
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Tony Budak
Wed, Sep 3, 2025 8:58 PM

Because, as Margaret Wheatley writes, *“People only support what they
create.”
*https://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/life.html

On 9/3/2025 10:27 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I
welcome you to join if you are interested.

Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat
where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all
gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative
meetings?

Description:

I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative
meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.

The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout
Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same...
Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any
questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation
is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your
thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a
transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle
(passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to
share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying
Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a
summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.

I am using my own link for this meeting:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email:
thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Welcome

Thomas Herrmann

Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden

Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81

Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com
http://www.openspaceconsulting.com// www.5toFold.com
http://www.5tofold.com/

Profile on LinkedIn:
www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult
http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och
samhälle.

/We release lifepower in people, organizations and society./

Trainings/workshops (Info & registration
https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands

23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)

17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.

6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026

20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige

27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring
– leadership and facilitation incl Open Space

OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org
See the archives here:https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

--

In Solidarity for more joy, and less stuff,
Tony
Click HERE to Meet with Tony https://bit.ly/3WtAIgT

Because, as Margaret Wheatley writes, *“People only support what they create.” *https://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/life.html On 9/3/2025 10:27 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote: > > I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I > welcome you to join if you are interested. > > Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat > where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens > > TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all > gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative > meetings? > > Description: > > I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative > meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. > > The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout > Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... > Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any > questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation > is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your > thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a > transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle > (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to > share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying > Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a > summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. > > I am using my own link for this meeting: > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon > <https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon> > > Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: > thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > > Welcome > > Thomas Herrmann > > Open Space Consulting AB > > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden > > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 > > Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> > > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com > <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/>/ www.5toFold.com > <http://www.5tofold.com/> > > Profile on LinkedIn: > www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> > > Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och > samhälle. > > /We release lifepower in people, organizations and society./ > > *Trainings/workshops (Info & registration > <https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>)* > > 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > > 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) > > 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. > > 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya > > 2026 > > 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige > > 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > > 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > Continous opportunities for *online learning - selfstudy + mentoring* > – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space > > > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here:https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org -- In Solidarity for more joy, and less stuff, *Tony* Click HERE to Meet with Tony <https://bit.ly/3WtAIgT>
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Birgitt Williams
Wed, Sep 3, 2025 11:16 PM

my perspective: The Universe has provided us abundant opportunities for
participative methods to do the work of participative methods. To the
extent that we aren't experiencing as many participative methods as we
might want in the world, the question is 'how are we aligning to the
abundant opportunities?'.

I love to follow the Four Fold Way as per the late Angeles Arrien. Very
wise guidance for aligning myself for the abundant opportunities.

I show up and am fully present in the moment, an expanded now.

I tell the truth without blame or judgement, and as I am not aware of a
truth other than my truth that resides in my core, I pay alot of attention
to being in genuine contact with myself. From this core truth, I realize
how much I don't know. I don't judge those in leadership, staying neutral
and willing to embrace if they approach me for a participative meeting
process. I have had great surprises.

I follow my heart. My heart is aligned with creating space for people to
access their brilliance, individually and collectively.

I let go of attachment to outcome. I am receptive to as many offers to
facilitate participative meetings as I and my colleagues can do so I am
doing my part to align with the abundant opportunities.

Now, imagine if we all chose to be in alignment with abundant opportunities
for participative meetings?

Warmly,
Birgitt

Birgitt Williams
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants  *
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the benefits of nourishing  a culture of leadership.
www.dalarinternational.com

Upcoming Workshops
Holistic Leadership Development | June 23-27, 2025 | Waterloo, Canada
Individual Health and Balance for Leaders | November 29, December 5, 12 &
19, 2025 | Online

Learn More & Register

http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/ for any of these
workshops here.

Go to www.genuinecontact.net http://www.genuinecontact.net to see the
public Genuine Contact training and mentoring options by Genuine Contact
trainers internationally. If you wish to schedule an "in-house" training
for people in your organization, please contact me, Birgitt Williams
birgitt@dalarinternational.com, via email to set up a consultation to
discern what is the best option to meet your development goals.

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On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 4:58 PM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Because, as Margaret Wheatley writes,
*“People only support what they create.” *
https://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/life.html
On 9/3/2025 10:27 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome
you to join if you are interested.

Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat
where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all
gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative
meetings?

Description:

I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings
since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.

The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden.
Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss
at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops
with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it
should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a
listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and
focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the
circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan
to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and
then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.

I am using my own link for this meeting:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email:
thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Welcome

Thomas Herrmann

Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden

Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81

Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com

Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com / www.5toFold.com
http://www.5tofold.com/

Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och
samhälle.

We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

Trainings/workshops (Info & registration
https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands

23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)

17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.

6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026

20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige

27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige

11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring –
leadership and facilitation incl Open Space

OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

--

In Solidarity for more joy, and less stuff,
Tony
Click HERE to Meet with Tony https://bit.ly/3WtAIgT
OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
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my perspective: The Universe has provided us abundant opportunities for participative methods to do the work of participative methods. To the extent that we aren't experiencing as many participative methods as we might want in the world, the question is 'how are we aligning to the abundant opportunities?'. I love to follow the Four Fold Way as per the late Angeles Arrien. Very wise guidance for aligning myself for the abundant opportunities. I show up and am fully present in the moment, an expanded now. I tell the truth without blame or judgement, and as I am not aware of a truth other than my truth that resides in my core, I pay alot of attention to being in genuine contact with myself. From this core truth, I realize how much I don't know. I don't judge those in leadership, staying neutral and willing to embrace if they approach me for a participative meeting process. I have had great surprises. I follow my heart. My heart is aligned with creating space for people to access their brilliance, individually and collectively. I let go of attachment to outcome. I am receptive to as many offers to facilitate participative meetings as I and my colleagues can do so I am doing my part to align with the abundant opportunities. Now, imagine if we all chose to be in alignment with abundant opportunities for participative meetings? Warmly, Birgitt *Birgitt Williams* *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants * *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership development, and the benefits of nourishing a culture of leadership.* www.dalarinternational.com *Upcoming Workshops* *Holistic Leadership Development* | June 23-27, 2025 | Waterloo, Canada *Individual Health and Balance for Leaders* | November 29, December 5, 12 & 19, 2025 | Online >> Learn More & Register <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of these workshops here. *Go to www.genuinecontact.net <http://www.genuinecontact.net> to see the public Genuine Contact training and mentoring options by Genuine Contact trainers internationally. If you wish to schedule an "in-house" training for people in your organization, please contact me, Birgitt Williams <birgitt@dalarinternational.com>, via email to set up a consultation to discern what is the best option to meet your development goals.* 16 Sunny Acres Dr., Etowah, North Carolina, USA 28729 Phone: 01-919-522-7750 Like us on Facebook <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=6677c35b38&e=e7zyhHfiqG> Connect on LinkedIn <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=c26173f86b&e=e7zyhHfiqG> On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 4:58 PM Tony Budak via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Because, as Margaret Wheatley writes, > *“People only support what they create.” * > https://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/life.html > On 9/3/2025 10:27 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote: > > I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome > you to join if you are interested. > > Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat > where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens > > > > TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all > gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative > meetings? > > > > Description: > > I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings > since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. > > The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. > Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss > at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops > with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it > should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a > listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and > focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the > circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan > to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and > then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. > > I am using my own link for this meeting: > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon > > > > Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: > thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > > Welcome > > > > Thomas Herrmann > > Open Space Consulting AB > > > > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden > > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 > > Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com / www.5toFold.com > <http://www.5tofold.com/> > > Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult > > > > Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och > samhälle. > > *We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.* > > > > *Trainings/workshops (Info & registration > <https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>)* > > > > 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > > 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) > > 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. > > 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya > > > > 2026 > > 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige > > 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > > 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > > > Continous opportunities for *online learning - selfstudy + mentoring* – > leadership and facilitation incl Open Space > > > > > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > -- > > In Solidarity for more joy, and less stuff, > *Tony* > Click HERE to Meet with Tony <https://bit.ly/3WtAIgT> > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
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Rolf Schneidereit
Fri, Sep 5, 2025 5:03 PM

@ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the topic of participation in society and politics.

@ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not interested in participation.”

This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only” have to change the system and everything would be fine.

I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves. Two short stories on this:

Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer had a place.

A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the traditional mode again.

What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right.

These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create a more comprehensive picture.

Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego intelligence does not need collective intelligence.

By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people alive. Everyone else must be fought.

Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to shine alone in the spotlight.

If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have achieved something different.

So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves.

Rolf

Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org:

Dear Thomas Herrmann,

for me its simple:

Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff).
Profit is their goal.

And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said:
"If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down."
(It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case).

Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag.

I am interested in spreading open space work.
What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy.

I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in
cooperative participative practice.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Welcome

Thomas Herrmann
Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/ / www.5toFold.com http://www.5tofold.com/
Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.
We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

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9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands
23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)
17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.
6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026
20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige
27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

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@ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the topic of participation in society and politics. @ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not interested in participation.” This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only” have to change the system and everything would be fine. I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves. Two short stories on this: Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer had a place. A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the traditional mode again. What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right. These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create a more comprehensive picture. Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego intelligence does not need collective intelligence. By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people alive. Everyone else must be fought. Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to shine alone in the spotlight. If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have achieved something different. So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves. Rolf Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>: Dear Thomas Herrmann, for me its simple: Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff). Profit is their goal. And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said: "If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down." (It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case). Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag. I am interested in spreading open space work. What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy. I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in cooperative participative practice. Greetings from Berlin mmp Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList: > I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested. > Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens > > TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings? > > Description: > I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. > The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. > I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon > > Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> > Welcome > > Thomas Herrmann > Open Space Consulting AB > > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 > Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> / www.5toFold.com <http://www.5tofold.com/> > Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> > > Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. > We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. > > Trainings/workshops (Info & registration <https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>) > > 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands > 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) > 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. > 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya > > 2026 > 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige > 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space > <image001.png> > > > > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de <mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de> WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look https://www.wosonos2025.org/ OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
MK
Marai Kiele
Sun, Sep 7, 2025 9:55 AM

Goosebumps.
Thank you, Rolf!

I have had an experience that matches yours when I joined a group who wanted to create an alternative — money free — way of trading resources.
https://5tofold.com/why-care/importance-of-decision-making/

With this additional input I wanna be there at the OST Garden on Monday!
As by the original invitation from Thomas:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Am 05.09.2025 um 19:03 schrieb Rolf Schneidereit via OSList everyone@oslist.org:

@ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the topic of participation in society and politics.

@ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not interested in participation.”

This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only” have to change the system and everything would be fine.

I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves. Two short stories on this:

Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer had a place.

A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the traditional mode again.

What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right.

These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create a more comprehensive picture.

Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego intelligence does not need collective intelligence.

By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people alive. Everyone else must be fought.

Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to shine alone in the spotlight.

If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have achieved something different.

So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves.

Rolf

Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org:

Dear Thomas Herrmann,

for me its simple:

Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff).
Profit is their goal.

And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said:
"If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down."
(It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case).

Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag.

I am interested in spreading open space work.
What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy.

I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in
cooperative participative practice.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Welcome

Thomas Herrmann
Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
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Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.
We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

Trainings/workshops (Info & registration https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands
23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)
17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.
6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026
20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige
27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space
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Goosebumps. Thank you, Rolf! I have had an experience that matches yours when I joined a group who wanted to create an alternative — money free — way of trading resources. https://5tofold.com/why-care/importance-of-decision-making/ With this additional input I wanna be there at the OST Garden on Monday! As by the original invitation from Thomas: >> I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested. >> Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens <https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens> >> >> TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings? >> >> Description: >> I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. >> The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. >> I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon <https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon> > Am 05.09.2025 um 19:03 schrieb Rolf Schneidereit via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>: > > @ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the topic of participation in society and politics. > > @ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not interested in participation.” > > > > This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only” have to change the system and everything would be fine. > > I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves. Two short stories on this: > > Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer had a place. > > A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the traditional mode again. > > > > What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right. > > These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create a more comprehensive picture. > > > > Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego intelligence does not need collective intelligence. > > By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people alive. Everyone else must be fought. > > Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to shine alone in the spotlight. > > > > If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have achieved something different. > > So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves. > > > Rolf > > > Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>: > > Dear Thomas Herrmann, > > for me its simple: > > Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff). > Profit is their goal. > > And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said: > "If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down." > (It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case). > > Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag. > > I am interested in spreading open space work. > What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy. > > I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in > cooperative participative practice. > > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > > Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList: >> I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested. >> Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens <https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens> >> >> TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings? >> >> Description: >> I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. >> The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. >> I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon <https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon> >> >> Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> >> Welcome >> >> Thomas Herrmann >> Open Space Consulting AB >> >> Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden >> Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 >> Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> >> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> / www.5toFold.com <http://www.5tofold.com/> >> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> >> >> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. >> We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. >> >> Trainings/workshops (Info & registration <https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>) >> >> 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands >> 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige >> 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) >> 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. >> 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya >> >> 2026 >> 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige >> 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige >> 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands >> >> Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space >> <image001.png> >> >> >> >> >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org> > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany > +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de <mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de> > > WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look > https://www.wosonos2025.org/ <https://www.wosonos2025.org/>OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org> > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
TH
Thomas Herrmann
Sun, Sep 7, 2025 10:19 AM

Wonderful.
Thanks for the rich input already!
There are six of us meeting tomorrow to continue the exploration. Still more seats left!
Welcome
Thomas

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Goosebumps.
Thank you, Rolf!

I have had an experience that matches yours when I joined a group who wanted to create an alternative — money free — way of trading resources.
https://5tofold.com/why-care/importance-of-decision-making/

With this additional input I wanna be there at the OST Garden on Monday!
As by the original invitation from Thomas:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Am 05.09.2025 um 19:03 schrieb Rolf Schneidereit via OSList <everyone@oslist.orgmailto:everyone@oslist.org>:

@ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the topic of participation in society and politics.

@ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not interested in participation.”

This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only” have to change the system and everything would be fine.

I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves. Two short stories on this:

Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer had a place.

A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the traditional mode again.

What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right.

These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create a more comprehensive picture.

Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego intelligence does not need collective intelligence.

By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people alive. Everyone else must be fought.

Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to shine alone in the spotlight.

If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have achieved something different.

So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves.

Rolf

Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.orgmailto:everyone@oslist.org>:

Dear Thomas Herrmann,

for me its simple:

Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff).
Profit is their goal.

And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said:
"If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down."
(It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case).

Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag.

I am interested in spreading open space work.
What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy.

I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in
cooperative participative practice.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:
I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.commailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Welcome

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Open Space Consulting AB

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Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.commailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
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8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)
17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.
6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026
20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige
27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
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Wonderful. Thanks for the rich input already! There are six of us meeting tomorrow to continue the exploration. Still more seats left! Welcome Thomas Skickat från Outlook för iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ Från: Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> Skickat: Sunday, September 7, 2025 11:55:59 AM Till: OS LIST 2022 <everyone@oslist.org> Ämne: [OSList] Re: TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings Goosebumps. Thank you, Rolf! I have had an experience that matches yours when I joined a group who wanted to create an alternative — money free — way of trading resources. https://5tofold.com/why-care/importance-of-decision-making/ With this additional input I wanna be there at the OST Garden on Monday! As by the original invitation from Thomas: I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested. Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings? Description: I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon Am 05.09.2025 um 19:03 schrieb Rolf Schneidereit via OSList <everyone@oslist.org<mailto:everyone@oslist.org>>: @ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the topic of participation in society and politics. @ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not interested in participation.” This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only” have to change the system and everything would be fine. I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves. Two short stories on this: Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer had a place. A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the traditional mode again. What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right. These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create a more comprehensive picture. Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego intelligence does not need collective intelligence. By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people alive. Everyone else must be fought. Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to shine alone in the spotlight. If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have achieved something different. So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves. Rolf Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org<mailto:everyone@oslist.org>>: Dear Thomas Herrmann, for me its simple: Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff). Profit is their goal. And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional consultant said: "If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can close down." (It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case). Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag. I am interested in spreading open space work. What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy. I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in cooperative participative practice. Greetings from Berlin mmp Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList: I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome you to join if you are interested. Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative meetings? Description: I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. I am using my own link for this meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com<mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> Welcome Thomas Herrmann Open Space Consulting AB Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com<mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com<http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> / www.5toFold.com<http://www.5tofold.com/> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult<http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. Trainings/workshops (Info & registration<https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>) 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya 2026 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring – leadership and facilitation incl Open Space <image001.png> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org<mailto:everyone@oslist.org> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org<mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de<mailto:mmpannwitz@posteo.de> WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a look https://www.wosonos2025.org/ OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org<mailto:everyone@oslist.org> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org<mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org<mailto:everyone@oslist.org> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org<mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
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John Warinner
Sun, Sep 7, 2025 3:21 PM

Thank you Rolf.  Very interesting perspective... and helpful to me.

I wonder if "Individual Intelligence" might be a useful term to use in
contrast to "Collective Intelligence."

My thought/reasoning being that the source(s) or driver(s) of "Individual
Intelligence" may be ego/self-centeredness/arrogance/superiority... but
other factors may also be in play, such as introversion, disconnection,
isolation, otherness, etc.

Thanks again,
John

John Warinner(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com johnw@watersolving.com

On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 10:04 AM Rolf Schneidereit via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

@ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the
topic of participation in society and politics.

@ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not
interested in participation.”

This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only”
have to change the system and everything would be fine.

I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves.
Two short stories on this:

Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German
welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was
successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other
areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all
participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer
had a place.

A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a
German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats
were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that
if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The
revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the
traditional mode again.

What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation
does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire
to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right.

These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator
have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a
facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create
a more comprehensive picture.

Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego
intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego
intelligence does not need collective intelligence.

By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent
president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people
alive. Everyone else must be fought.

Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to
shine alone in the spotlight.

If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have
achieved something different.

So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves.

Rolf

Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org>:

Dear Thomas Herrmann,

for me its simple:

Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff).
Profit is their goal.

And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional
consultant said:
"If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can
close down."
(It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case).

Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag.

I am interested in spreading open space work.
What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy.

I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in
cooperative participative practice.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome
you to join if you are interested.
Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat
where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens

TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all
gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative
meetings?

Description:
I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings
since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators.
The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden.
Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss
at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops
with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it
should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a
listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and
focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the
circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan
to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and
then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat.
I am using my own link for this meeting:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon

Please let me know if you plan to join! Email:
thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Welcome

Thomas Herrmann
Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com
Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com / www.5toFold.com
http://www.5tofold.com/
Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och
samhälle.
We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

Trainings/workshops (Info & registration
https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/)

9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands
23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online)
17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården.
6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya

2026
20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige
27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige
11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands

Continous opportunities for online learning - selfstudy + mentoring –
leadership and facilitation incl Open Space
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Thank you Rolf. Very interesting perspective... and helpful to me. I wonder if "Individual Intelligence" might be a useful term to use in contrast to "Collective Intelligence." My thought/reasoning being that the source(s) or driver(s) of "Individual Intelligence" may be ego/self-centeredness/arrogance/superiority... but other factors may also be in play, such as introversion, disconnection, isolation, otherness, etc. Thanks again, John *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 johnwarinner@gmail.com <johnw@watersolving.com> On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 10:04 AM Rolf Schneidereit via OSList < everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > @ Thomas, thank you for your question! For me, it also touches on the > topic of participation in society and politics. > > @ Thank you, Michael, for your proposed explanation: “Capitalism is not > interested in participation.” > > > This got me thinking: Is it really that simple? If so, we would “only” > have to change the system and everything would be fine. > > I don't think it's that simple. It's not the system, but “we” ourselves. > Two short stories on this: > > Years ago, I was able to accompany the federal association of a German > welfare organization through a participatory process. The process was > successful and the seeds of participation began to take effect in other > areas. Until a new managing director arrived. He summarily dismissed all > participatory approaches. Anything that was not under his control no longer > had a place. > > A second example: At a one-day conference of full-time employees of a > German party that considers itself progressive, new participatory formats > were experimented with. At the end, an employee came up to me and said that > if we worked like this in the party, it would be truly revolutionary. The > revolution did not happen: subsequent conferences were held in the > traditional mode again. > > > What I mean by this is that I believe that resistance to participation > does not come from the system, but from within ourselves, from the desire > to control, to dominate, from the desire to be right. > > These desires are familiar to me. My many years of work as a facilitator > have smoothed them out somewhat, as have my conflicts with others. As a > facilitator, I have repeatedly observed that different perspectives create > a more comprehensive picture. > > > Participation aims at collective intelligence. This contrasts with ego > intelligence. Ego intelligence sees itself as superior to others. Ego > intelligence does not need collective intelligence. > > By a majority, Americans have elected a particularly intelligent > president. He is convinced that he is one of the most intelligent people > alive. Everyone else must be fought. > > Ego intelligence does not want others to be intelligent too. It wants to > shine alone in the spotlight. > > > If it were a problem of capitalism, socialist experiments would have > achieved something different. > > So, I believe, we are thrown back on ourselves. > > Rolf > > > Am 03.09.2025 um 19:06 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList < > everyone@oslist.org>: > > Dear Thomas Herrmann, > > for me its simple: > > Capitalism ist not interested in participation (the real stuff). > Profit is their goal. > > And, as Harrison experienced at the end of an ost event a professional > consultant said: > "If stuff like open space spreads all of the large consulting firms can > close down." > (It would save trillions worldwide if that were the case). > > Approaches that widen space and time for selforganisation is a red rag. > > I am interested in spreading open space work. > What I re-discovered is that its simple but not easy. > > I see colleagues not only polishing our art but also passing it on in > cooperative participative practice. > > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > > Am 03.09.2025 um 16:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList: > > I have posted a topic in the Open Space Garden on QiqoChat, and I welcome > you to join if you are interested. > Monday Sept 8th at 4 pm CEST. You can find your local time on QiqoChat > where this description is again: https://openspace.qiqochat.com/gardens > > TOPIC TITLE: How come, that still in 2025, the vast majority of all > gatherings in organizations are not highly participative co-creative > meetings? > > Description: > I have worked with Open Space Technology and other co-creative meetings > since almost 30 years. I have trained many facilitators. > The praise for participation is, as it was 1990, high throughout Sweden. > Still the gatherings in most organizations look the same... Big table, boss > at the end showing slides. Ending with asking “any questions?” Or workshops > with lecturer after lecturer... Participation is an exception when it > should be the norm. How come? Come share your thoughts on this in a > listening circle. This meeting will start with a transfer in to land and > focus in our circle, then a listening circle (passing an object around the > circle 3 times with an invitation to share). Then a closingcircle. I plan > to make an experiment, trying Zoom Assistant for capturing what is said and > then I will make a summary to post on OSlist and QiqoChat. > I am using my own link for this meeting: > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81190846862?pwd=YCkLSkhAH4XGRdnuIJwIdabDco0e5U.1&from=addon > > Please let me know if you plan to join! Email: > thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > Welcome > > Thomas Herrmann > Open Space Consulting AB > > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 > Email: thomas@openspaceconsulting.com > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com / www.5toFold.com > <http://www.5tofold.com/> > Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult > > Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och > samhälle. > *We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.* > > *Trainings/workshops (Info & registration > <https://openspaceconsulting.com/kategori/aktiviteter/kommande-aktiviteter/>)* > > 9-11 Sept: Working with Open Space Technology, Lunteren, the Netherlands > 23-25 Sept: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > 8 Okt: Erfa-utbyte om Open Space (gratis, online) > 17-19 Okt: Open Space för Demokrati, Gullbrannagården. > 6-8 Nov: WorldOpenSpaceOnOpenSpace, Nairobi, Kenya > > 2026 > 20-22 Jan: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Örby Sverige > 27-29 Jan: Att arbeta hållbart med Open Space-metoden, Örby, Sverige > 11-13 March: Whole Person Process Facilitation, Lunteren, the Netherlands > > Continous opportunities for *online learning - selfstudy + mentoring* – > leadership and facilitation incl Open Space > <image001.png> > > > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany > +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de > > WOSonOS will be in Kenya in November 6th-8th, 2025, have a lookhttps://www.wosonos2025.org/ > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
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