Thanks for sharing Rolf, sounds interesting for sure.

The more we work with our project Open Space for Democracy – the more we
see how opening space for democracy, using Open Space Technology is a way
to support emerging new healthy democracy.

With appreciation

Thomas

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Dear Colleagues,

as a very young man, I was intensively involved in a political party for
several years. Ultimately, this experience disillusioned me and led me to
question how it is possible to think and decide together in a wiser way.
This later led me to facilitation.

On a small scale, with the groups and organisations I work with, I
experience this wiser thinking and deciding (most of the time).

On a societal scale, we seem to be trapped in the polarisation between
parties. In the logics of power. Our current democracy is failing to
respond adequately to the growing challenges. Authoritarian and populist
actors are triumphing. Transformative solutions will no longer emerge from
our current eroding form of democracy.

But what might the new one look like? A quantum leap will be possible if
we no longer delegate responsibility to professional politicians, but
instead begin to govern ourselves.

A comprehensive sketch of such a form of self-government has now been
presented by the German political scientist Brigitte Geissel: in her book
‘The Future of Self-Governing, Thriving Democracies: Democratic Innovations
By, With and For the People’ she describes the necessary approaches to a
transformative development of democracy.

Her starting point is that we must first decide what kind of democracy we
want to live in. And this decision can look very different depending on the
community. She describes possible processes and procedures of
self-governance in detail.

I warmly recommend her book to anyone who is concerned about current
developments and the ominous prospects. The digital version can be
downloaded for free:

English Versio
https://www.amazon.de/Future-Self-Governing-Thriving-Democracies-Innovations-ebook/dp/B0BLHZZLFV/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1X8CQM2VDIF9E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-z_gI240dBA95oSNFOmtCX9kHw6mvQrUZdk2ujt9lpeSv89vbtXwW3tm0TQIoTBMCtGyrFQUD_JhGnWXE_QxmI_BnMHDeiakErGqQAT5W8CLHEj5ktbwnn6OK80S2-QEXJSrj_tsSssYmGKFtJs1CpCLPtcyXd5i7pqp_q7g65TdrfCpb69Yt72cyNKeCmpNIu3qgeBlfJGiNJ7CRimXVGfi6ax9y--mpUxVkQ8A78c.U2akcV-ke0KDagOBNATa6wITyj3jdYhUYkWTO789jNU&dib_tag=se&keywords=brigitte+geissel&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1732463101&sprefix=brigitte+geissel,aps,230&sr=8-2
n

German Version
https://www.amazon.de/Demokratie-als-Selbst-Regieren-Demokratische-Innovationen/dp/3847430408/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1X8CQM2VDIF9E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-z_gI240dBA95oSNFOmtCX9kHw6mvQrUZdk2ujt9lpeSv89vbtXwW3tm0TQIoTBMCtGyrFQUD_JhGnWXE_QxmI_BnMHDeiakErGqQAT5W8CLHEj5ktbwnn6OK80S2-QEXJSrj_tsSssYmGKFtJs1CpCLPtcyXd5i7pqp_q7g65TdrfCpb69Yt72cyNKeCmpNIu3qgeBlfJGiNJ7CRimXVGfi6ax9y--mpUxVkQ8A78c.U2akcV-ke0KDagOBNATa6wITyj3jdYhUYkWTO789jNU&dib_tag=se&keywords=brigitte+geissel&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1732463101&sprefix=brigitte+geissel,aps,230&sr=8-1

We facilitators experience time and again (or so I assume) that
self-organisation is possible. This makes us witnesses and ambassadors of
the possible.

Rolf

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Thanks for sharing Rolf, sounds interesting for sure.

The more we work with our project Open Space for Democracy – the more we see how opening space for democracy, using Open Space Technology is a way to support emerging new healthy democracy.

With appreciation

Thomas

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Dear Colleagues,

as a very young man, I was intensively involved in a political party for several years. Ultimately, this experience disillusioned me and led me to question how it is possible to think and decide together in a wiser way. This later led me to facilitation.

On a small scale, with the groups and organisations I work with, I experience this wiser thinking and deciding (most of the time).

On a societal scale, we seem to be trapped in the polarisation between parties. In the logics of power. Our current democracy is failing to respond adequately to the growing challenges. Authoritarian and populist actors are triumphing. Transformative solutions will no longer emerge from our current eroding form of democracy.

But what might the new one look like? A quantum leap will be possible if we no longer delegate responsibility to professional politicians, but instead begin to govern ourselves.

A comprehensive sketch of such a form of self-government has now been presented by the German political scientist Brigitte Geissel: in her book ‘The Future of Self-Governing, Thriving Democracies: Democratic Innovations By, With and For the People’ she describes the necessary approaches to a transformative development of democracy.

Her starting point is that we must first decide what kind of democracy we want to live in. And this decision can look very different depending on the community. She describes possible processes and procedures of self-governance in detail.

I warmly recommend her book to anyone who is concerned about current developments and the ominous prospects. The digital version can be downloaded for free:

English Versio https://www.amazon.de/Future-Self-Governing-Thriving-Democracies-Innovations-ebook/dp/B0BLHZZLFV/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1X8CQM2VDIF9E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-z_gI240dBA95oSNFOmtCX9kHw6mvQrUZdk2ujt9lpeSv89vbtXwW3tm0TQIoTBMCtGyrFQUD_JhGnWXE_QxmI_BnMHDeiakErGqQAT5W8CLHEj5ktbwnn6OK80S2-QEXJSrj_tsSssYmGKFtJs1CpCLPtcyXd5i7pqp_q7g65TdrfCpb69Yt72cyNKeCmpNIu3qgeBlfJGiNJ7CRimXVGfi6ax9y--mpUxVkQ8A78c.U2akcV-ke0KDagOBNATa6wITyj3jdYhUYkWTO789jNU&dib_tag=se&keywords=brigitte+geissel&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1732463101&sprefix=brigitte+geissel,aps,230&sr=8-2n

German Version https://www.amazon.de/Demokratie-als-Selbst-Regieren-Demokratische-Innovationen/dp/3847430408/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1X8CQM2VDIF9E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-z_gI240dBA95oSNFOmtCX9kHw6mvQrUZdk2ujt9lpeSv89vbtXwW3tm0TQIoTBMCtGyrFQUD_JhGnWXE_QxmI_BnMHDeiakErGqQAT5W8CLHEj5ktbwnn6OK80S2-QEXJSrj_tsSssYmGKFtJs1CpCLPtcyXd5i7pqp_q7g65TdrfCpb69Yt72cyNKeCmpNIu3qgeBlfJGiNJ7CRimXVGfi6ax9y--mpUxVkQ8A78c.U2akcV-ke0KDagOBNATa6wITyj3jdYhUYkWTO789jNU&dib_tag=se&keywords=brigitte+geissel&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1732463101&sprefix=brigitte+geissel,aps,230&sr=8-1
We facilitators experience time and again (or so I assume) that self-organisation is possible. This makes us witnesses and ambassadors of the possible.

Rolf

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Thank you so much for your reply Rolf
And yes it does help - I am more attuned to reading it now I here you
say .. 'That's what makes her approach so convincing to me: that she
doesn't propose a finished concept as the ultimate truth, but invites
us to develop (and further develop) the solution that is right for us.'

Which is perfectly tied to my work as well how I sense OSL work
fitting into what this offers. From me - a perspective to include the
Natural LAws of Life existing around and within in amongst those
decisions... and with OSL - to help bring about the conversations and
capacity to work through the development.

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Writer / Counsellor / Consultant

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On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 9:14 PM Rolf Schneidereit
schneidereit@gut-moderiert.de wrote:

 Dear Cari,

 I'll give it a try (and maybe this also indirectly answers Tony's
 question):

 Brigitte Geissel's core thesis is that each community (at every
 level) must decide for itself how it wants to govern itself:

 A community with a well-functioning representative democracy may
 find it useful to make only marginal changes. Another community
 with a dysfunctional democracy and a corrupt political class will
 probably want to shift much more power away from parliament and
 towards forms of self-government.

 From this perspective, she invites us not to focus on individual
 methods and procedures, but to lay the foundation by developing a
 common constitution. It seems to me that a truly appropriate
 democracy with much stronger support can emerge from this.

 The book also contains a number of concrete details on procedures
 that are partly new, such as multi-level citizens' councils and
 multi-issue referendums.

 Geissel then applies these to variously weighted legislative
 procedures by way of example: the development of a constitution,
 the amendment of a constitution, important and less important
 legislative proposals. For each of these different legislative
 proposals, she outlines two examples of what a procedure might
 look like.

 That's what makes her approach so convincing to me: that she
 doesn't propose a finished concept as the ultimate truth, but
 invites us to develop (and further develop) the solution that is
 right for us.

 Does this help?

 Rolf

 PS.

 Marcello Lacroix Wacker from the Art of Hosting list distributed
 Geissel's text directly because Amazon did not display the Kindle
 version. If anyone else has difficulties here, I would forward his
 email here.


 Am 25.11.2024 um 01:13 schrieb Cari via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>:

 Thank you so much for this link Rolf - I note also that perhaps
 you have read it and would love your small take on it - I have iit
 open to read on my computer but I do like to go forward with some
 awareness if you can offer some


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 On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 6:58 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList
 <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

     Thanks for sharing Rolf, sounds interesting for sure.

     The more we work with our project Open Space for Democracy –
     the more we see how opening space for democracy, using Open
     Space Technology is a way to support emerging new healthy
     democracy.

     With appreciation

     Thomas

     *Från:*Rolf Schneidereit via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
     *Skickat:* den 24 november 2024 17:13
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     *Ämne:* [OSList] Yes we can

     Dear Colleagues,

     as a very young man, I was intensively involved in a political
     party for several years. Ultimately, this experience
     disillusioned me and led me to question how it is possible to
     think and decide together in a wiser way. This later led me to
     facilitation.

     On a small scale, with the groups and organisations I work
     with, I experience this wiser thinking and deciding (most of
     the time).

     On a societal scale, we seem to be trapped in the polarisation
     between parties. In the logics of power. Our current democracy
     is failing to respond adequately to the growing challenges.
     Authoritarian and populist actors are triumphing.
     Transformative solutions will no longer emerge from our
     current eroding form of democracy.

     But what might the new one look like? A quantum leap will be
     possible if we no longer delegate responsibility to
     professional politicians, but instead begin to govern ourselves.

     A comprehensive sketch of such a form of self-government has
     now been presented by the German political scientist Brigitte
     Geissel: in her book ‘The Future of Self-Governing, Thriving
     Democracies: Democratic Innovations By, With and For the
     People’ she describes the necessary approaches to a
     transformative development of democracy.

     Her starting point is that we must first decide what kind of
     democracy we want to live in. And this decision can look very
     different depending on the community. She describes possible
     processes and procedures of self-governance in detail.

     I warmly recommend her book to anyone who is concerned about
     current developments and the ominous prospects. The digital
     version can be downloaded for free:

     English Versio
     <https://www.amazon.de/Future-Self-Governing-Thriving-Democracies-Innovations-ebook/dp/B0BLHZZLFV/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1X8CQM2VDIF9E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-z_gI240dBA95oSNFOmtCX9kHw6mvQrUZdk2ujt9lpeSv89vbtXwW3tm0TQIoTBMCtGyrFQUD_JhGnWXE_QxmI_BnMHDeiakErGqQAT5W8CLHEj5ktbwnn6OK80S2-QEXJSrj_tsSssYmGKFtJs1CpCLPtcyXd5i7pqp_q7g65TdrfCpb69Yt72cyNKeCmpNIu3qgeBlfJGiNJ7CRimXVGfi6ax9y--mpUxVkQ8A78c.U2akcV-ke0KDagOBNATa6wITyj3jdYhUYkWTO789jNU&dib_tag=se&keywords=brigitte+geissel&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1732463101&sprefix=brigitte+geissel,aps,230&sr=8-2>n

     German Version
     <https://www.amazon.de/Demokratie-als-Selbst-Regieren-Demokratische-Innovationen/dp/3847430408/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1X8CQM2VDIF9E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-z_gI240dBA95oSNFOmtCX9kHw6mvQrUZdk2ujt9lpeSv89vbtXwW3tm0TQIoTBMCtGyrFQUD_JhGnWXE_QxmI_BnMHDeiakErGqQAT5W8CLHEj5ktbwnn6OK80S2-QEXJSrj_tsSssYmGKFtJs1CpCLPtcyXd5i7pqp_q7g65TdrfCpb69Yt72cyNKeCmpNIu3qgeBlfJGiNJ7CRimXVGfi6ax9y--mpUxVkQ8A78c.U2akcV-ke0KDagOBNATa6wITyj3jdYhUYkWTO789jNU&dib_tag=se&keywords=brigitte+geissel&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1732463101&sprefix=brigitte+geissel,aps,230&sr=8-1>

     We facilitators experience time and again (or so I assume)
     that self-organisation is possible. This makes us witnesses
     and ambassadors of the possible.

     Rolf

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