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artfsilvaproton.me
Fri, May 5, 2023 2:21 PM

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal

Artur


De :Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À :Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé :jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet :[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great dayGreetings from Berlin

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal Artur ---------------------------------------- De :Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> À :Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> Envoyé :jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 Objet :[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change Dear Tony, ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even without an OST gathering. The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of selforganisation to unfold a bit more. Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for selforganistion to show up a bit more. Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. Have a great dayGreetings from Berlin
TB
Tony Budak
Fri, May 5, 2023 4:37 PM

I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes
to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about
this by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.

On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal

Artur

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*À :*Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
*Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet :[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin


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I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: > Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! > > Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal > > > Artur > > *----------------------------------------* > *De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> > *À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> > *Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 > *Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & > Behavior Change > > Dear Tony, > > ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: > > OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". > However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things > happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even > without an OST gathering. > The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on > the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of > selforganisation to unfold a bit more. > Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for > selforganistion to show up a bit more. > > Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all > issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can > lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. > Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things > can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. > > Have a great day > Greetings from Berlin > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org -- Click HERE to Contact Tony <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: Until next time, Tony Budak, on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: P.S. Become a Member top left and or Record your unpaid work time to get valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968>
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Harrison Owen SR
Fri, May 5, 2023 6:53 PM

Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to
building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal

Artur

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De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior
Change

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin


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More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

P.S. Become a Member top left and or
Record your unpaid work time to get
valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits.
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Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good to me. Harrison On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to > building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. > > Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices > are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the > uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more > network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this > by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. > On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: > > Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! > > Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal > > > Artur > > *----------------------------------------* > *De :* Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> > *À :* Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> > *Envoyé :* jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 > *Objet :* [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior > Change > > Dear Tony, > > ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: > > OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". > However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things > happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even > without an OST gathering. > The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on > the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of > selforganisation to unfold a bit more. > Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for > selforganistion to show up a bit more. > > Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all > issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can > lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. > Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things > can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. > > Have a great day > Greetings from Berlin > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > > -- > Click HERE to Contact Tony > <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> > > More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: > Until next time, Tony Budak, > on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: > > P.S. Become a Member top left and or > Record your unpaid work time to get > valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. > <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >
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christopher macrae
Fri, May 5, 2023 10:24 PM

as far as i am concerned open space has everything to do with intel needed for actioning change
but then my expertise is in how media has destroyed more and more real communities and sustainability of families, youth etc - it may be you live in a place where people are effectively no longer free to meet to action a particular type of change -in such a place don't blame os
put another way , what else is there that does have to do with actioning change?
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On Friday, 5 May 2023 at 14:55:27 GMT-4, Harrison Owen SR via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:  

Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal

Artur
---------------------------------------- De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change
Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin


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More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

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Record your unpaid work time to get
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as far as i am concerned open space has everything to do with intel needed for actioning change but then my expertise is in how media has destroyed more and more real communities and sustainability of families, youth etc - it may be you live in a place where people are effectively no longer free to meet to action a particular type of change -in such a place don't blame os put another way , what else is there that does have to do with actioning change? chris   http://www.economistlearning.com  | | | | | | | | | | | economistsocial.com publishers world record book of jobs creation (world... | | |   On Friday, 5 May 2023 at 14:55:27 GMT-4, Harrison Owen SR via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good to me. Harrison On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal Artur ---------------------------------------- De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> À : Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change Dear Tony, ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even without an OST gathering. The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of selforganisation to unfold a bit more. Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for selforganistion to show up a bit more. Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. Have a great day Greetings from Berlin _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org -- Click HERE to Contact Tony More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: Until next time, Tony Budak, on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: P.S. Become a Member top left and or Record your unpaid work time to get valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org _______________________________________________ OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
TB
Tony Budak
Fri, May 5, 2023 10:42 PM

Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course,
I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can
social self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony

Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way --
self organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have
done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all
continents with millions of iterations all without a plan or
sponsorship. sounds good to me.

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
everyone@oslist.org wrote:

 I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it
 comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

 Social science research on networks suggests that current OST
 practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage.
 To improve the uptake and utilization of these practices, we may
 need to adopt a more network-informed approach to delivering OST.
 You can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's talk at
 https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.

 On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
 <http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:
 Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

 Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal


 Artur

 *----------------------------------------*
 *De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
 *À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org>
 *Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
 *Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
 Behavior Change

 Dear Tony,

 ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

 OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
 However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely
 things
 happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
 without an OST gathering.
 The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus
 is on
 the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the
 forces of
 selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
 Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
 selforganistion to show up a bit more.

 Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with
 OST all
 issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
 lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
 Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many
 things
 can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

 Have a great day
 Greetings from Berlin

 _______________________________________________
 OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org
 To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org
 -- 
 Click HERE to Contact Tony
 <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php>

 More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
 Until next time, Tony Budak,
 on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

 P.S. Become a Member top left and or
 Record your unpaid work time to get
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 <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968>
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https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php

More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

P.S. Become a Member top left and or
Record your unpaid work time to get
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Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social self-organizing do more? More Fun - Less Stuff, Tony > Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY > experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- > self organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have > done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all > continents with millions of iterations all without a plan or > sponsorship. sounds good to me. > > Harrison > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList > <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > > I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it > comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. > > Social science research on networks suggests that current OST > practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. > To improve the uptake and utilization of these practices, we may > need to adopt a more network-informed approach to delivering OST. > You can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's talk at > https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. > > On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me > <http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote: >> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >> >> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >> >> >> Artur >> >> *----------------------------------------* >> *De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >> *À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> >> *Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >> *Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & >> Behavior Change >> >> Dear Tony, >> >> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >> >> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >> However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely >> things >> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even >> without an OST gathering. >> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus >> is on >> the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the >> forces of >> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for >> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >> >> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with >> OST all >> issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can >> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many >> things >> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >> >> Have a great day >> Greetings from Berlin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > -- > Click HERE to Contact Tony > <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> > > More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: > Until next time, Tony Budak, > on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: > > P.S. Become a Member top left and or > Record your unpaid work time to get > valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. > <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > -- Click HERE to Contact Tony <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: Until next time, Tony Budak, on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: P.S. Become a Member top left and or Record your unpaid work time to get valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968>
HO
Harrison Owen SR
Sat, May 6, 2023 3:18 PM

My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize
them. I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to
watch the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations
that are emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own
ideas of where and how the system should proceed. The analogy with sailing
is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. Good sailors ride the winds
that blow.

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:

Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I
agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social
self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony

Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to
building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal

Artur

----------------------------------------
De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin


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My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize them. I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the system should proceed. The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. Good sailors ride the winds that blow. Harrison On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <tonybudak@tbmw.org> wrote: > Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I > agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social > self-organizing do more? > More Fun - Less Stuff, > Tony > > Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY > experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self > organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done > differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents > with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good > to me. > > Harrison > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> > wrote: > >> I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to >> building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. >> >> Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices >> are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the >> uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more >> network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this >> by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. >> On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: >> >> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >> >> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >> >> >> Artur >> >> *----------------------------------------* >> *De :* Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >> *À :* Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> >> *Envoyé :* jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >> *Objet :* [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & >> Behavior Change >> >> Dear Tony, >> >> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >> >> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >> However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things >> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even >> without an OST gathering. >> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on >> the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of >> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for >> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >> >> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all >> issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can >> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things >> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >> >> Have a great day >> Greetings from Berlin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> >> -- >> Click HERE to Contact Tony >> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >> >> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >> Until next time, Tony Budak, >> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >> >> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >> Record your unpaid work time to get >> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> > -- > Click HERE to Contact Tony > <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> > > More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: > Until next time, Tony Budak, > on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: > > P.S. Become a Member top left and or > Record your unpaid work time to get > valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. > <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >
TB
Tony Budak
Sat, May 6, 2023 6:52 PM

Hi Harrison,

On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:

My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to
organize them.

Yes I agree

I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to
watch the system closely and be supportive of system
changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This would NOT
mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the system should
proceed.

Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and
how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are
blowing

The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind.
Good sailors ride the winds that blow.

Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial
Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally
means human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is
the ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom
to know
." Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's
Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.

In Solidarity,
Tony

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:

 Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of
 course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well.
 Yet how can social self-organizing do more?
 More Fun - Less Stuff,
 Tony
 Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to
 OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the most
 effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not at all
 sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when
 something spreads to all continents with millions of iterations
 all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good to me.

 Harrison

 On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
 <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

     I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when
     it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

     Social science research on networks suggests that current OST
     practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST
     usage. To improve the uptake and utilization of these
     practices, we may need to adopt a more network-informed
     approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this by
     watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.

     On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
     <http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:
     Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

     Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal


     Artur

     *----------------------------------------*
     *De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
     *À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST
     <everyone@oslist.org>
     *Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
     *Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
     Contagions & Behavior Change

     Dear Tony,

     ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

     OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
     However, it has been observed, that change and many other
     lovely things
     happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always
     do, even
     without an OST gathering.
     The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The
     focus is on
     the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the
     forces of
     selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
     Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
     selforganistion to show up a bit more.

     Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that
     with OST all
     issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time
     also can
     lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
     Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that
     many things
     can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

     Have a great day
     Greetings from Berlin

     _______________________________________________
     OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org
     To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org
     -- 
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     <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php>

     More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
     Until next time, Tony Budak,
     on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

     P.S. Become a Member top left and or
     Record your unpaid work time to get
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 -- 
 Click HERE to Contact Tony
 <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php>

 More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
 Until next time, Tony Budak,
 on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

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Hi Harrison, On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote: > My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their > primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to > organize them. Yes I agree > I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to > watch the system closely and be supportive of system > changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This would NOT > mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the system should > proceed. Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are blowing > The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. > Good sailors ride the winds that blow. Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally means human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is *the ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism, https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor. In Solidarity, Tony > > Harrison > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <tonybudak@tbmw.org> wrote: > > Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of > course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. > Yet how can social self-organizing do more? > More Fun - Less Stuff, > Tony >> Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to >> OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the most >> effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not at all >> sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when >> something spreads to all continents with millions of iterations >> all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good to me. >> >> Harrison >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList >> <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >> >> I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when >> it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. >> >> Social science research on networks suggests that current OST >> practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST >> usage. To improve the uptake and utilization of these >> practices, we may need to adopt a more network-informed >> approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this by >> watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. >> >> On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me >> <http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote: >>> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >>> >>> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >>> >>> >>> Artur >>> >>> *----------------------------------------* >>> *De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >>> *À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST >>> <everyone@oslist.org> >>> *Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >>> *Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex >>> Contagions & Behavior Change >>> >>> Dear Tony, >>> >>> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >>> >>> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >>> However, it has been observed, that change and many other >>> lovely things >>> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always >>> do, even >>> without an OST gathering. >>> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The >>> focus is on >>> the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the >>> forces of >>> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >>> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for >>> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >>> >>> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that >>> with OST all >>> issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time >>> also can >>> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >>> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that >>> many things >>> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >>> >>> Have a great day >>> Greetings from Berlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org >> -- >> Click HERE to Contact Tony >> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >> >> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >> Until next time, Tony Budak, >> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >> >> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >> Record your unpaid work time to get >> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> > -- > Click HERE to Contact Tony > <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> > > More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: > Until next time, Tony Budak, > on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: > > P.S. Become a Member top left and or > Record your unpaid work time to get > valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. > <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org -- Click HERE to Contact Tony <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: Until next time, Tony Budak, on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: P.S. Become a Member top left and or Record your unpaid work time to get valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968>
JW
John Warinner
Sat, May 6, 2023 8:02 PM

Hmmmm...

I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:

As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what
degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should
proceed?

Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this
dialogue?

Thank you!
John

John Warinner(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com johnw@watersolving.com

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi Harrison,
On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:

My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize
them.

Yes I agree

I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch
the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are
emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of
where and how the system should proceed.

Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and
how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are
blowing

The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. Good
sailors ride the winds that blow.

Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence
and more are of our own making.  "Anthropocentrism literally means
human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is the
ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know
."
Carol Sandford,  The Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism  Today's
Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.

In Solidarity,
Tony

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:

Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I
agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social
self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony

Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes
to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal

Artur

----------------------------------------
De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin


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Hmmmm... I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question: *As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should proceed?* Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this dialogue? Thank you! John *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 johnwarinner@gmail.com <johnw@watersolving.com> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Hi Harrison, > On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote: > > My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their > primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize > them. > > Yes I agree > > I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch > the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are > emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of > where and how the system should proceed. > > Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and > how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are > blowing > > The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. Good > sailors ride the winds that blow. > > Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence > and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally means > human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is *the > ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." > Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism, > https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's > Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor. > > In Solidarity, > Tony > > > Harrison > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <tonybudak@tbmw.org> wrote: > >> Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I >> agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social >> self-organizing do more? >> More Fun - Less Stuff, >> Tony >> >> Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY >> experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self >> organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done >> differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents >> with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good >> to me. >> >> Harrison >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList < >> everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >> >>> I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes >>> to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. >>> >>> Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices >>> are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the >>> uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more >>> network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this >>> by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. >>> On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: >>> >>> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >>> >>> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >>> >>> >>> Artur >>> >>> *----------------------------------------* >>> *De :* Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >>> *À :* Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> >>> *Envoyé :* jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >>> *Objet :* [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & >>> Behavior Change >>> >>> Dear Tony, >>> >>> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >>> >>> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >>> However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things >>> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even >>> without an OST gathering. >>> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on >>> the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of >>> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >>> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for >>> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >>> >>> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all >>> issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can >>> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >>> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things >>> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >>> >>> Have a great day >>> Greetings from Berlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> >>> -- >>> Click HERE to Contact Tony >>> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >>> >>> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >>> Until next time, Tony Budak, >>> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >>> >>> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >>> Record your unpaid work time to get >>> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >>> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> >> -- >> Click HERE to Contact Tony >> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >> >> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >> Until next time, Tony Budak, >> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >> >> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >> Record your unpaid work time to get >> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > > -- > Click HERE to Contact Tony > <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> > > More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: > Until next time, Tony Budak, > on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: > > P.S. Become a Member top left and or > Record your unpaid work time to get > valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. > <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >
MM
Michael M Pannwitz
Sat, May 6, 2023 8:27 PM

Dear John,

well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around
your question in the space that OSLIST provides.

I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not
supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive"
would be welcome in that breakout session.

Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change"?

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList:

Hmmmm...

I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:

/As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to
what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the
system should proceed?
/

Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene
this dialogue?

Thank you!
John

*John Warinner
(541) 815-4103
*johnwarinner@gmail.com

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList
everyone@oslist.org wrote:

 Hi Harrison,

 On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
 My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with
 their primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try
 to organize them.
 Yes I agree
 I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be
 to watch the system closely and be supportive of system
 changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This
 would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the
 system should proceed.
 Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide
 "where and how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial
 Intelligence are blowing
 The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the
 wind. Good sailors ride the winds that blow.
 Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial
 Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism
 literally means human-centered, but in its most relevant
 philosophical form, it is *the ethical belief that humans alone
 possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." Carol Sandford, The
 Modern Anthropocentrism,
 https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism
 Today's Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.

 In Solidarity,
 Tony
 Harrison

 On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <tonybudak@tbmw.org> wrote:

     Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread.
     Of course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as
     well. Yet how can social self-organizing do more?
     More Fun - Less Stuff,
     Tony
     Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate
     to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the
     most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not
     at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I
     guess, but when something spreads to all continents with
     millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship.
     sounds good to me.

     Harrison

     On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
     <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

         I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change
         when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000
         people.

         Social science research on networks suggests that
         current OST practices are not effective in increasing
         the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and
         utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a
         more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You
         can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's
         talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.

         On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
         <http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:
         Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

         Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal


         Artur

         *----------------------------------------*
         *De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
         *À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST
         <everyone@oslist.org>
         *Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
         *Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
         Contagions & Behavior Change

         Dear Tony,

         ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

         OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
         However, it has been observed, that change and many
         other lovely things
         happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they
         always do, even
         without an OST gathering.
         The focus of an OST event is not to promote something.
         The focus is on
         the experiment that appears to expand time and space
         for the forces of
         selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
         Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and
         space for
         selforganistion to show up a bit more.

         Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor
         that with OST all
         issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough
         time also can
         lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
         Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and
         that many things
         can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

         Have a great day
         Greetings from Berlin

         _______________________________________________
         OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org
         To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org
         -- 
         Click HERE to Contact Tony
         <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php>

         More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
         Until next time, Tony Budak,
         on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

         P.S. Become a Member top left and or
         Record your unpaid work time to get
         valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits.
         <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968>
         _______________________________________________
         OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
         To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
     -- 
     Click HERE to Contact Tony
     <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php>

     More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
     Until next time, Tony Budak,
     on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

     P.S. Become a Member top left and or
     Record your unpaid work time to get
     valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits.
     <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968>


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 To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org

Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

Dear John, well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around your question in the space that OSLIST provides. I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive" would be welcome in that breakout session. Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change"? Greetings from Berlin mmp Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList: > Hmmmm... > > I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question: > > /*As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and > supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to > what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the > system should proceed?*/ > > Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene > this dialogue? > > Thank you! > John > > *John Warinner > *(541) 815-4103* > *johnwarinner@gmail.com > > > On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList > <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > > Hi Harrison, > > On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote: >> My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with >> their primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try >> to organize them. > Yes I agree >> I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be >> to watch the system closely and be supportive of system >> changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This >> would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the >> system should proceed. > Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide > "where and how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial > Intelligence are blowing >> The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the >> wind. Good sailors ride the winds that blow. > Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial > Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism > literally means human-centered, but in its most relevant > philosophical form, it is *the ethical belief that humans alone > possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." Carol Sandford, The > Modern Anthropocentrism, > https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism > Today's Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor. > > In Solidarity, > Tony > >> >> Harrison >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <tonybudak@tbmw.org> wrote: >> >> Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. >> Of course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as >> well. Yet how can social self-organizing do more? >> More Fun - Less Stuff, >> Tony >>> Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate >>> to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the >>> most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not >>> at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I >>> guess, but when something spreads to all continents with >>> millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. >>> sounds good to me. >>> >>> Harrison >>> >>> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList >>> <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>> >>> I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change >>> when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 >>> people. >>> >>> Social science research on networks suggests that >>> current OST practices are not effective in increasing >>> the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and >>> utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a >>> more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You >>> can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's >>> talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. >>> >>> On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me >>> <http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote: >>>> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >>>> >>>> >>>> Artur >>>> >>>> *----------------------------------------* >>>> *De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST >>>> <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >>>> *Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex >>>> Contagions & Behavior Change >>>> >>>> Dear Tony, >>>> >>>> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >>>> >>>> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >>>> However, it has been observed, that change and many >>>> other lovely things >>>> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they >>>> always do, even >>>> without an OST gathering. >>>> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. >>>> The focus is on >>>> the experiment that appears to expand time and space >>>> for the forces of >>>> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >>>> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and >>>> space for >>>> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >>>> >>>> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor >>>> that with OST all >>>> issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough >>>> time also can >>>> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >>>> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and >>>> that many things >>>> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >>>> >>>> Have a great day >>>> Greetings from Berlin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org >>> -- >>> Click HERE to Contact Tony >>> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >>> >>> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >>> Until next time, Tony Budak, >>> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >>> >>> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >>> Record your unpaid work time to get >>> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >>> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> >> -- >> Click HERE to Contact Tony >> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >> >> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >> Until next time, Tony Budak, >> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >> >> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >> Record your unpaid work time to get >> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de
JW
John Warinner
Sat, May 6, 2023 8:33 PM

Thank you Michael.

*re: I wonder if I would be welcome in that breakout session.*Of course!
Whoever comes are the right people.

re: Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change"?

Yes, that works for me!  But I am open to alternatives.

Cheers,
JohnW

John Warinner(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com johnw@watersolving.com

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 1:27 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Dear John,

well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around your
question in the space that OSLIST provides.

I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not
supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive" would
be welcome in that breakout session.

Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change"?

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList:

Hmmmm...

I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:

As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what
degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should
proceed?

Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this
dialogue?

Thank you!
John

*John Warinner *(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi Harrison,
On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:

My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize
them.

Yes I agree

I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch
the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are
emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of
where and how the system should proceed.

Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and
how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are
blowing

The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind.
Good sailors ride the winds that blow.

Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence
and more are of our own making.  "Anthropocentrism literally means
human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is the
ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know
."
Carol Sandford,  The Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism  Today's
Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.

In Solidarity,
Tony

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:

Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course,
I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social
self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony

Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes
to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.

Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal

Artur

----------------------------------------
De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin


OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org

--
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More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:

P.S. Become a Member top left and or
Record your unpaid work time to get
valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits.
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More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
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Thank you Michael. *re: I wonder if I would be welcome in that breakout session.*Of course! Whoever comes are the right people. *re: Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change"?* Yes, that works for me! But I am open to alternatives. Cheers, JohnW *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 johnwarinner@gmail.com <johnw@watersolving.com> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 1:27 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList < everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Dear John, > > well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around your > question in the space that OSLIST provides. > > I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not > supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive" would > be welcome in that breakout session. > > Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex > Contagions & Behavior Change"? > > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > > Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList: > > Hmmmm... > > I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question: > > *As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and > supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what > degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should > proceed?* > > Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this > dialogue? > > Thank you! > John > > > *John Warinner *(541) 815-4103 > johnwarinner@gmail.com > > > On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> > wrote: > >> Hi Harrison, >> On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote: >> >> My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their >> primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize >> them. >> >> Yes I agree >> >> I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch >> the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are >> emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of >> where and how the system should proceed. >> >> Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and >> how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are >> blowing >> >> The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. >> Good sailors ride the winds that blow. >> >> Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence >> and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally means >> human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is *the >> ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." >> Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism, >> https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's >> Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor. >> >> In Solidarity, >> Tony >> >> >> Harrison >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <tonybudak@tbmw.org> wrote: >> >>> Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, >>> I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social >>> self-organizing do more? >>> More Fun - Less Stuff, >>> Tony >>> >>> Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY >>> experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self >>> organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done >>> differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents >>> with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good >>> to me. >>> >>> Harrison >>> >>> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList < >>> everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes >>>> to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. >>>> >>>> Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices >>>> are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the >>>> uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more >>>> network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this >>>> by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. >>>> On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: >>>> >>>> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >>>> >>>> >>>> Artur >>>> >>>> *----------------------------------------* >>>> *De :* Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *À :* Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *Envoyé :* jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >>>> *Objet :* [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & >>>> Behavior Change >>>> >>>> Dear Tony, >>>> >>>> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >>>> >>>> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >>>> However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things >>>> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even >>>> without an OST gathering. >>>> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on >>>> the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of >>>> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >>>> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for >>>> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >>>> >>>> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all >>>> issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can >>>> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >>>> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things >>>> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >>>> >>>> Have a great day >>>> Greetings from Berlin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Click HERE to Contact Tony >>>> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >>>> >>>> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >>>> Until next time, Tony Budak, >>>> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >>>> >>>> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >>>> Record your unpaid work time to get >>>> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >>>> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> >>> -- >>> Click HERE to Contact Tony >>> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >>> >>> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >>> Until next time, Tony Budak, >>> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >>> >>> P.S. Become a Member top left and or >>> Record your unpaid work time to get >>> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >>> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> >> Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > +49 30 7728000 mmpannwitz@posteo.de > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >