Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
De :Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À :Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé :jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet :[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great dayGreetings from Berlin
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes
to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about
this by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
----------------------------------------
*De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
*À :*Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
*Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet :[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org
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Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:
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Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to
building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
----------------------------------------
De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior
Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
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Until next time, Tony Budak,
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as far as i am concerned open space has everything to do with intel needed for actioning change
but then my expertise is in how media has destroyed more and more real communities and sustainability of families, youth etc - it may be you live in a place where people are effectively no longer free to meet to action a particular type of change -in such a place don't blame os
put another way , what else is there that does have to do with actioning change?
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On Friday, 5 May 2023 at 14:55:27 GMT-4, Harrison Owen SR via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
---------------------------------------- De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
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Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course,
I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can
social self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way --
self organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have
done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all
continents with millions of iterations all without a plan or
sponsorship. sounds good to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
everyone@oslist.org wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it
comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST
practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage.
To improve the uptake and utilization of these practices, we may
need to adopt a more network-informed approach to delivering OST.
You can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's talk at
https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
<http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
*----------------------------------------*
*De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
*À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST <everyone@oslist.org>
*Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
*Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely
things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus
is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the
forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with
OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many
things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
_______________________________________________
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To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org
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My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize
them. I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to
watch the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations
that are emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own
ideas of where and how the system should proceed. The analogy with sailing
is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. Good sailors ride the winds
that blow.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:
Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I
agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social
self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes to
building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
----------------------------------------
De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
--
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https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php
More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:
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Until next time, Tony Budak,
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Hi Harrison,
On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to
organize them.
Yes I agree
I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to
watch the system closely and be supportive of system
changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This would NOT
mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the system should
proceed.
Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and
how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are
blowing
The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind.
Good sailors ride the winds that blow.
Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial
Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally
means human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is
the ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom
to know." Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's
Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.
In Solidarity,
Tony
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:
Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of
course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well.
Yet how can social self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to
OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the most
effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not at all
sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I guess, but when
something spreads to all continents with millions of iterations
all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
<everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when
it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST
practices are not effective in increasing the rate of OST
usage. To improve the uptake and utilization of these
practices, we may need to adopt a more network-informed
approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this by
watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
<http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
*----------------------------------------*
*De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
*À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST
<everyone@oslist.org>
*Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
*Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other
lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always
do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The
focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the
forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that
with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time
also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that
many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
_______________________________________________
OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org
--
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<https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php>
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Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:
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Hmmmm...
I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:
As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what
degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should
proceed?
Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this
dialogue?
Thank you!
John
John Warinner(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com johnw@watersolving.com
On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:
Hi Harrison,
On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize
them.
Yes I agree
I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch
the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are
emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of
where and how the system should proceed.
Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and
how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are
blowing
The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. Good
sailors ride the winds that blow.
Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence
and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally means
human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is the
ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know."
Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's
Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.
In Solidarity,
Tony
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:
Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I
agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social
self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes
to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
----------------------------------------
De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
--
Click HERE to Contact Tony
https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php
More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:
P.S. Become a Member top left and or
Record your unpaid work time to get
valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits.
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Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:
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More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
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Dear John,
well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around
your question in the space that OSLIST provides.
I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not
supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive"
would be welcome in that breakout session.
Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change"?
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList:
Hmmmm...
I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:
/As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to
what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the
system should proceed?/
Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene
this dialogue?
Thank you!
John
*John Warinner
(541) 815-4103
*johnwarinner@gmail.com
On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList
everyone@oslist.org wrote:
Hi Harrison,
On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with
their primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try
to organize them.
Yes I agree
I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be
to watch the system closely and be supportive of system
changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This
would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the
system should proceed.
Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide
"where and how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial
Intelligence are blowing
The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the
wind. Good sailors ride the winds that blow.
Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial
Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism
literally means human-centered, but in its most relevant
philosophical form, it is *the ethical belief that humans alone
possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." Carol Sandford, The
Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism
Today's Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.
In Solidarity,
Tony
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <tonybudak@tbmw.org> wrote:
Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread.
Of course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as
well. Yet how can social self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate
to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the
most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not
at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I
guess, but when something spreads to all continents with
millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship.
sounds good to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
<everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change
when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000
people.
Social science research on networks suggests that
current OST practices are not effective in increasing
the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and
utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a
more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You
can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's
talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
<http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
*----------------------------------------*
*De :*Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
*À :*Budak, Tony <tonybudak@tbmw.org>; OS LIST
<everyone@oslist.org>
*Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
*Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many
other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they
always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something.
The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space
for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and
space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor
that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough
time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and
that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
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Thank you Michael.
*re: I wonder if I would be welcome in that breakout session.*Of course!
Whoever comes are the right people.
re: Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change"?
Yes, that works for me! But I am open to alternatives.
Cheers,
JohnW
John Warinner(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com johnw@watersolving.com
On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 1:27 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
Dear John,
well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around your
question in the space that OSLIST provides.
I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not
supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive" would
be welcome in that breakout session.
Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change"?
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList:
Hmmmm...
I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:
As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what
degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should
proceed?
Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this
dialogue?
Thank you!
John
*John Warinner *(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com
On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:
Hi Harrison,
On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their
primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize
them.
Yes I agree
I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch
the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are
emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of
where and how the system should proceed.
Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and
how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are
blowing
The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind.
Good sailors ride the winds that blow.
Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence
and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally means
human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is the
ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know."
Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's
Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.
In Solidarity,
Tony
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak tonybudak@tbmw.org wrote:
Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course,
I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social
self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY
experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self
organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done
differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents
with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good
to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes
to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people.
Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices
are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the
uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more
network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this
by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
----------------------------------------
De : Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org
À : Budak, Tony tonybudak@tbmw.org; OS LIST everyone@oslist.org
Envoyé : jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
Objet : [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions &
Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org
To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
--
Click HERE to Contact Tony
https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php
More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:
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Record your unpaid work time to get
valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits.
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More Fun, Less Stuff :joy:
Until next time, Tony Budak,
on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking:
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