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Marai Kiele
Tue, Dec 30, 2025 7:23 AM

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here.
Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...
Joyously,
Marai

Dear os-nicks, Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here. Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind. Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source. May this light up someone’s day... Joyously, Marai
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Peggy Holman
Tue, Dec 30, 2025 9:06 PM

LOL! I literally did laugh out loud!

I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this!

I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search.

If you do figure out its source, please share it.

May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined.

Peggy


Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com

Bellevue, WA  98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here.
Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...
Joyously,
Marai

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LOL! I literally did laugh out loud! I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this! I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search. If you do figure out its source, please share it. May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined. Peggy _________________________________ Peggy Holman peggy@peggyholman.com Bellevue, WA 98006 206-948-0432 www.peggyholman.com Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become the fire". -- Drew Dellinger > On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > > > Dear os-nicks, > > Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here. > Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind. > > Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source. > > May this light up someone’s day... > Joyously, > Marai > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
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Phelim McDermott
Wed, Dec 31, 2025 12:28 AM

I think they are courtesy of the marvelous Paul Levy ;)
Best regards,

Phelim McDermott


I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298.

___________________/////////////

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On 30 Dec 2025, at 21:07, Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

LOL! I literally did laugh out loud!

I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this!

I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search.

If you do figure out its source, please share it.

May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined.

Peggy


Peggy Holman

peggy@peggyholman.com

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here.

Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...

Joyously,

Marai

<Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg>

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douglasgermann
Wed, Dec 31, 2025 2:37 AM

Peggy--

It is not clear to me whether your closing line is a blessing, a threat, or a wait and find out!

:- Doug. Germann
574 274 5353

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

On Tuesday, December 30th, 2025 at 7:29 PM, Phelim McDermott via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

I think they are courtesy of the marvelous Paul Levy ;)

Best regards,

Phelim McDermott

I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298.
___________________/////////////

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Dec 2025, at 21:07, Peggy Holman via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

LOL! I literally did laugh out loud!

I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this!

I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search.

If you do figure out its source, please share it.

May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined.

Peggy


Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here.
Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...
Joyously,
Marai

<Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg>
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Peggy-- It is not clear to me whether your closing line is a blessing, a threat, or a wait and find out! :- Doug. Germann 574 274 5353 Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure email. On Tuesday, December 30th, 2025 at 7:29 PM, Phelim McDermott via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > I think they are courtesy of the marvelous Paul Levy ;) > > Best regards, > > Phelim McDermott > ----------------------------- > I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298. > ___________________///////////// > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 30 Dec 2025, at 21:07, Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > >> LOL! I literally did laugh out loud! >> >> I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this! >> >> I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search. >> >> If you do figure out its source, please share it. >> >> May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined. >> >> Peggy >> >> _________________________________ >> Peggy Holman >> peggy@peggyholman.com >> >> Bellevue, WA 98006 >> 206-948-0432 >> www.peggyholman.com >> >> Enjoy the award winning [Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity](https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/) >> >> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become >> the fire". >> -- Drew Dellinger >> >>> On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>> >>> Dear os-nicks, >>> >>> Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here. >>> Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind. >>> >>> Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source. >>> >>> May this light up someone’s day... >>> Joyously, >>> Marai >>> >>> <Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg> >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >> >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
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Paul Levy
Wed, Dec 31, 2025 6:10 AM

I am indeed the guilty one who wrote these back in the day.

Wishing you all a happy New year.

Paul Levy

On Tue, 30 Dec 2025, 21:08 Peggy Holman via OSList, everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

LOL! I literally did laugh out loud!

I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this!

I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find
anything like it doing a Google search.

If you do figure out its source, please share it.

May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined.

Peggy


Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com

Bellevue, WA  98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval
into Opportunity https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get
burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle
reading it, that I desire to share it here.
Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...
Joyously,
Marai

[image: Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg]
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I am indeed the guilty one who wrote these back in the day. Wishing you all a happy New year. Paul Levy On Tue, 30 Dec 2025, 21:08 Peggy Holman via OSList, <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > LOL! I literally did laugh out loud! > > I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this! > > I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find > anything like it doing a Google search. > > If you do figure out its source, please share it. > > > May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined. > > Peggy > > > > _________________________________ > Peggy Holman > peggy@peggyholman.com > > Bellevue, WA 98006 > 206-948-0432 > www.peggyholman.com > > Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval > into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> > > "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get > burnt, is to become > the fire". > -- Drew Dellinger > > > > > > On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> > wrote: > > > Dear os-nicks, > > Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle > reading it, that I desire to share it here. > Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind. > > Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source. > > May this light up someone’s day... > Joyously, > Marai > > > [image: Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg] > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org
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Roma Iskander
Wed, Dec 31, 2025 12:17 PM

Very Paul!

Roma
Roma IskanderPublic Service Works Network Mobile 07956635802

www.publicserviceworks.com

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On 31 Dec 2025, at 06:11, Paul Levy via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

I am indeed the guilty one who wrote these back in the day.

Wishing you all a happy New year.

Paul Levy

On Tue, 30 Dec 2025, 21:08 Peggy Holman via OSList, <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

LOL! I literally did laugh out loud!

I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this!

I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search.

If you do figure out its source, please share it.

May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined.

Peggy


Peggy Holman

peggy@peggyholman.com

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here.

Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...

Joyously,

Marai

<Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg>

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Peggy Holman
Wed, Dec 31, 2025 4:59 PM

Thank you for your wry wit Paul. Made my day.

Doug - LOL! I guess my phrase is more ambiguous than I realized. Whatever happens…

Happy new year to all

On Dec 30, 2025, at 6:37 PM, douglasgermann douglasgermann@proton.me wrote:

Peggy--

It is not clear to me whether your closing line is a blessing, a threat, or a wait and find out!

:- Doug. Germann
574 274 5353

Sent with Proton Mail https://proton.me/mail/home secure email.

On Tuesday, December 30th, 2025 at 7:29 PM, Phelim McDermott via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

I think they are courtesy of the marvelous Paul Levy ;)

Best regards,

Phelim McDermott

I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298.
___________________/////////////

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Dec 2025, at 21:07, Peggy Holman via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

LOL! I literally did laugh out loud!

I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this!

I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search.

If you do figure out its source, please share it.

May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined.

Peggy


Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com

Bellevue, WA  98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here.
Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...
Joyously,
Marai

<Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg>
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Thank you for your wry wit Paul. Made my day. Doug - LOL! I guess my phrase is more ambiguous than I realized. Whatever happens… Happy new year to all > On Dec 30, 2025, at 6:37 PM, douglasgermann <douglasgermann@proton.me> wrote: > > Peggy-- > > It is not clear to me whether your closing line is a blessing, a threat, or a wait and find out! > > :- Doug. Germann > 574 274 5353 > > Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure email. > > On Tuesday, December 30th, 2025 at 7:29 PM, Phelim McDermott via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >> I think they are courtesy of the marvelous Paul Levy ;) >> >> Best regards, >> >> Phelim McDermott >> ----------------------------- >> I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298. >> ___________________///////////// >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 30 Dec 2025, at 21:07, Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>> >>> LOL! I literally did laugh out loud! >>> >>> I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this! >>> >>> I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search. >>> >>> If you do figure out its source, please share it. >>> >>> >>> May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined. >>> >>> Peggy >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________ >>> Peggy Holman >>> peggy@peggyholman.com >>> >>> Bellevue, WA 98006 >>> 206-948-0432 >>> www.peggyholman.com >>> >>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> >>> >>> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become >>> the fire". >>> -- Drew Dellinger >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear os-nicks, >>>> >>>> Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here. >>>> Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind. >>>> >>>> Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source. >>>> >>>> May this light up someone’s day... >>>> Joyously, >>>> Marai >>>> >>>> >>>> <Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>> >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >
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Chrlsful
Wed, Dec 31, 2025 10:34 PM

magic of what HO brought to the northern european, something we lost, the First People often continue to possess/use. - -Chad    Amherst    MA    usa                                                                                          On Wednesday, December 31, 2025, 07:19:10 AM EST, Roma Iskander via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:
Very Paul! 
Roma 
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Mobile 07956635802

www.publicserviceworks.com

magic of what HO brought to the northern european, something we lost, the First People often continue to possess/use. - -Chad    Amherst    MA    usa                                                                                       On Wednesday, December 31, 2025, 07:19:10 AM EST, Roma Iskander via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: Very Paul!  Roma  Roma IskanderPublic Service Works Network  Mobile 07956635802 www.publicserviceworks.com
MK
Marai Kiele
Thu, Jan 1, 2026 1:59 PM

I love all your lines, Peggy, including the last one.

Feeling happy that my re-share of Paul’s wit had this effect on you.
My wish got fulfilled.

Ready for all the breakthroughs,
This is my picture for how I experienced the end of 2025 and anticipate 2026…

(imagine delightful smell of hand made bee wachs candle)

Happy No Fear to all,
Marai

Am 30.12.2025 um 22:06 schrieb Peggy Holman via OSList everyone@oslist.org:

LOL! I literally did laugh out loud!

I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this!

I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search.

If you do figure out its source, please share it.

May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined.

Peggy


Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com

Bellevue, WA  98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Dear os-nicks,

Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here.
Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind.

Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source.

May this light up someone’s day...
Joyously,
Marai

<Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg>
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I love all your lines, Peggy, including the last one. Feeling happy that my re-share of Paul’s wit had this effect on you. My wish got fulfilled. Ready for all the breakthroughs, This is my picture for how I experienced the end of 2025 and anticipate 2026… (imagine delightful smell of hand made bee wachs candle) Happy No Fear to all, Marai > Am 30.12.2025 um 22:06 schrieb Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>: > > LOL! I literally did laugh out loud! > > I can imagine either of my grandmothers saying something like this! > > I can find no reference to it in the listserv archives not could I find anything like it doing a Google search. > > If you do figure out its source, please share it. > > > May this new year bring breakthroughs none of us could have imagined. > > Peggy > > > > _________________________________ > Peggy Holman > peggy@peggyholman.com > > Bellevue, WA 98006 > 206-948-0432 > www.peggyholman.com > > Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> > > "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become > the fire". > -- Drew Dellinger > > > > > >> On Dec 29, 2025, at 11:23 PM, Marai Kiele via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >> >> >> Dear os-nicks, >> >> Seeking for a picture, I just found this on my laptop. I had such a giggle reading it, that I desire to share it here. >> Possibly not politically correct these day … I don’t mind. >> >> Whoever knows who posted or created it back when, please add the source. >> >> May this light up someone’s day... >> Joyously, >> Marai >> >> >> <Grandmother_OpenSpace_principles.jpeg> >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org