24 hour virtual Open Space?
Hello everyone!
I'm a first time poster. I asked a couple questions in a facebook group and
was told about this group. I do have a couple of specific questions, but
honestly I mostly need a little reassurance that what I am attempting to do
is not completely insane. And if it is, then maybe some ideas for how to
mitigate the damage?
I've committed to literally everyone in my professional field to host a Global
Youth Summit for Freedom of Religion or Belief.
http://email.mail.firstfreedomfoundation.org/c/eJwcybFqwzAQANCvOW0NJ8mxo0GDa2MChYbQ0KFLsa27yMWuhKQY-velXd7ynGXlWAqysjb1sdEKpfCWjHGIyPNELGVFrtbj3NDEI56ITigW27Wv55d0MbED3d-kP39-bLs2T7OMPl6PzdC3oJ5v5fL21b9XZucppLa7QoXbuKyH-79z2MRqfSkxg25BDaAGDmnK_CiPRIeQ7qAGkSztlH7CN0GFIa9LLn_1GwAA___SYTt7
I've
got a few dozen countries co-sponsoring the thing as well as several NGOs.
It's something I have had on the backburner for years, until the UK Prime
Minister's Special Envoy heard about it, lit a fire under me, and now it is
spreading like wildfire and I can hardly keep up.
So here are the questions:
- So far we have young people from around 65 countries registered. Instead
of doing three eight hour days, I decided to do one 24 (well 25 really)
hour day so that people can participate from wherever they are in the
world--during work, before or after school or work, etc. I genuinely have
no idea when people will participate or for how long, and I know that this
violates one of the rules of Open Space which is that it is no good to pop
in and out. But for this purpose I really don't see an alternative.
So, insane? Any way to mitigate the damage? I did schedule the Opening
Circle for a time when people should at least be awake from LA to Bangkok
(and we don't have many Pacific Islanders registered yet anyway). And for
those who are working we will record that event for later consumption.
- Does anyone have experience with multilingual Open Space events? My
first instinct was that everyone needs to speak English. But the result is
that we have only three participants from Latin America. So we are a
"global" summit minus one entire continent. So then my second thought is
that, if we could get like 50 people, with enough bilingual people to
cross-pollinate, then we could have a sort of an event within an event.
Again, crazy? Or totally fine because Open Space is Open?
Finally, this event is already going to be wild. We have a ton of Nigerians
coming, many of whom have personally seen their friends and family members
stabbed, burned, disappeared, etc., by Islamists. And then we have Muslims
whose friends and families are getting lynched by Hindus in India, or
genocided in Burma and China, and Hindus who are being persecuted in
Pakistan, and LGBTQ youth who are getting bullied by so-called Christians,
etc. etc. etc. Basically, everyone is a victim somewhere, and everyone is
an aggressor somewhere, and I'm getting them all together in one big
virtual room with 50+ breakout sessions and just one me.
So, is co-facilitation a possibility? Would anybody be interested? Also, I
do need to sleep at some point. We're going to need mechanisms to enforce a
code of conduct (nonviolence at a minimum), but I think that I shouldn't
be the one to enforce it because I need to hold the space, yes?
Basically I could just really use some support, and I read that this group
is good for that. It has been a minute since grad school when I studied all
of this stuff. And while I have taken liberties with the OST model in the
past, this time I'm worried that I might have gone too far.
Thanks for any words.
Patrice
Dear Patrice,
1 There are no "rules" in open space. There are some principles / facts
of life that are mentioned at the beginning. And the "Law of two feet"
is a tongue in cheek (in German: mit einem Augenzwinkern) by the Man
with the hat. It simply is a possible mechanism for honoring the group
with ones absence if you can neither contribute nor learn whatever.
2 Translation is something participants will take care of, so dont bother.
3 Code of conduct, hmm. Again, the crowd will take care of it. Its none
of the business of the facilitator. The facilitator should attempt to be
fully present and at the same time be invisible. (I have never been in
anything online, so there might be a bunch of technical challenges... in
a face to face event I usually would take a nap or go for a walk while
folks start with their breakout session and I would turn up again in the
closing circle).
Less is more, might be another "rule".
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
Am 06.10.2023 um 08:21 schrieb Patrice Pederson via OSList:
Hello everyone!
I'm a first time poster. I asked a couple questions in a facebook
group and was told about this group. I do have a couple of specific
questions, but honestly I mostly need a little reassurance that what I
am attempting to do is not completely insane. And if it is, then maybe
some ideas for how to mitigate the damage?
I've committed to literally everyone in my professional field to host
a Global Youth Summit for Freedom of Religion or Belief.
http://email.mail.firstfreedomfoundation.org/c/eJwcybFqwzAQANCvOW0NJ8mxo0GDa2MChYbQ0KFLsa27yMWuhKQY-velXd7ynGXlWAqysjb1sdEKpfCWjHGIyPNELGVFrtbj3NDEI56ITigW27Wv55d0MbED3d-kP39-bLs2T7OMPl6PzdC3oJ5v5fL21b9XZucppLa7QoXbuKyH-79z2MRqfSkxg25BDaAGDmnK_CiPRIeQ7qAGkSztlH7CN0GFIa9LLn_1GwAA___SYTt7 I've
got a few dozen countries co-sponsoring the thing as well as several
NGOs. It's something I have had on the backburner for years, until the
UK Prime Minister's Special Envoy heard about it, lit a fire under me,
and now it is spreading like wildfire and I can hardly keep up.
So here are the questions:
- So far we have young people from around 65 countries registered.
Instead of doing three eight hour days, I decided to do one 24 (well
25 really) hour day so that people can participate from wherever they
are in the world--during work, before or after school or work, etc. I
genuinely have no idea when people will participate or for how long,
and I know that this violates one of the rules of Open Space which is
that it is no good to pop in and out. But for this purpose I really
don't see an alternative.
So, insane? Any way to mitigate the damage? I did schedule the Opening
Circle for a time when people should at least be awake from LA to
Bangkok (and we don't have many Pacific Islanders registered yet
anyway). And for those who are working we will record that event for
later consumption.
- Does anyone have experience with multilingual Open Space events? My
first instinct was that everyone needs to speak English. But the
result is that we have only three participants from Latin America. So
we are a "global" summit minus one entire continent. So then my second
thought is that, if we could get like 50 people, with enough bilingual
people to cross-pollinate, then we could have a sort of an event
within an event.
Again, crazy? Or totally fine because Open Space is Open?
Finally, this event is already going to be wild. We have a ton of
Nigerians coming, many of whom have personally seen their friends and
family members stabbed, burned, disappeared, etc., by Islamists. And
then we have Muslims whose friends and families are getting lynched by
Hindus in India, or genocided in Burma and China, and Hindus who are
being persecuted in Pakistan, and LGBTQ youth who are getting bullied
by so-called Christians, etc. etc. etc. Basically, everyone is a
victim somewhere, and everyone is an aggressor somewhere, and I'm
getting them all together in one big virtual room with 50+ breakout
sessions and just one me.
So, is co-facilitation a possibility? Would anybody be interested?
Also, I do need to sleep at some point. We're going to need mechanisms
to enforce a code of conduct (nonviolence at a minimum), but I think
that I shouldn't be the one to enforce it because I need to hold the
space, yes?
Basically I could just really use some support, and I read that this
group is good for that. It has been a minute since grad school when I
studied all of this stuff. And while I have taken liberties with the
OST model in the past, this time I'm worried that I might have gone
too far.
Thanks for any words.
Patrice
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+49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de
The annual Worldwide Open Space on Open Space
(WOSonOS) will gather in Berlin
from October 18 through 21, 2023.
Check the website
https://www.wosonos2023.berlin/
Patrice,
I picked up your message just before heading to bed so I’m not going to give you detailed answers. I just want to assure you that what you are doing is wonderful. Not at all insane. Yes to having partners to be there during different time periods around the clock.
Many people have done multi-lingual Open Spaces. From having translators on hand to the simplest version where sessions are posted in the language it will be held in and people act as translators for each other.
I have found a clear organizing question that captures the purpose acts as a remarkable deterrent to violence. People show up because they care. And that keeps them talking through differences. Open Space is the best form I know when conflict exists. Because at its heart it is an invitation to take responsibility for what you love, people show up authentically. That tends to inspire others to do the same. The result: people connect. Their differences become a source for innovations that no one could have thought of on their own.
Since this list has people from around the world, I expect you’ll be hearing from folks in different time zones over the next 24 hours.
Can’t wait to see what your questions evoke. You are definitely on to something terrific!
Peggy Holman 206-948-0432
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:23 PM, Patrice Pederson via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
Hello everyone!
I'm a first time poster. I asked a couple questions in a facebook group and was told about this group. I do have a couple of specific questions, but honestly I mostly need a little reassurance that what I am attempting to do is not completely insane. And if it is, then maybe some ideas for how to mitigate the damage?
I've committed to literally everyone in my professional field to host a Global Youth Summit for Freedom of Religion or Belief. I've got a few dozen countries co-sponsoring the thing as well as several NGOs. It's something I have had on the backburner for years, until the UK Prime Minister's Special Envoy heard about it, lit a fire under me, and now it is spreading like wildfire and I can hardly keep up.
So here are the questions:
- So far we have young people from around 65 countries registered. Instead of doing three eight hour days, I decided to do one 24 (well 25 really) hour day so that people can participate from wherever they are in the world--during work, before or after school or work, etc. I genuinely have no idea when people will participate or for how long, and I know that this violates one of the rules of Open Space which is that it is no good to pop in and out. But for this purpose I really don't see an alternative.
So, insane? Any way to mitigate the damage? I did schedule the Opening Circle for a time when people should at least be awake from LA to Bangkok (and we don't have many Pacific Islanders registered yet anyway). And for those who are working we will record that event for later consumption.
- Does anyone have experience with multilingual Open Space events? My first instinct was that everyone needs to speak English. But the result is that we have only three participants from Latin America. So we are a "global" summit minus one entire continent. So then my second thought is that, if we could get like 50 people, with enough bilingual people to cross-pollinate, then we could have a sort of an event within an event.
Again, crazy? Or totally fine because Open Space is Open?
Finally, this event is already going to be wild. We have a ton of Nigerians coming, many of whom have personally seen their friends and family members stabbed, burned, disappeared, etc., by Islamists. And then we have Muslims whose friends and families are getting lynched by Hindus in India, or genocided in Burma and China, and Hindus who are being persecuted in Pakistan, and LGBTQ youth who are getting bullied by so-called Christians, etc. etc. etc. Basically, everyone is a victim somewhere, and everyone is an aggressor somewhere, and I'm getting them all together in one big virtual room with 50+ breakout sessions and just one me.
So, is co-facilitation a possibility? Would anybody be interested? Also, I do need to sleep at some point. We're going to need mechanisms to enforce a code of conduct (nonviolence at a minimum), but I think that I shouldn't be the one to enforce it because I need to hold the space, yes?
Basically I could just really use some support, and I read that this group is good for that. It has been a minute since grad school when I studied all of this stuff. And while I have taken liberties with the OST model in the past, this time I'm worried that I might have gone too far.
Thanks for any words.
Patrice
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For a few pounds more add-on, zoom has translated captions in different
languages and it even works in breakout rooms and is quite accurate:
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/6643133682957-Enabling-and-configuring-translated-captions
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 at 08:48, Peggy Holman via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:
Patrice,
I picked up your message just before heading to bed so I’m not going to
give you detailed answers. I just want to assure you that what you are
doing is wonderful. Not at all insane. Yes to having partners to be there
during different time periods around the clock.
Many people have done multi-lingual Open Spaces. From having translators
on hand to the simplest version where sessions are posted in the language
it will be held in and people act as translators for each other.
I have found a clear organizing question that captures the purpose acts as
a remarkable deterrent to violence. People show up because they care. And
that keeps them talking through differences. Open Space is the best form I
know when conflict exists. Because at its heart it is an invitation to take
responsibility for what you love, people show up authentically. That tends
to inspire others to do the same. The result: people connect. Their
differences become a source for innovations that no one could have thought
of on their own.
Since this list has people from around the world, I expect you’ll be
hearing from folks in different time zones over the next 24 hours.
Can’t wait to see what your questions evoke. You are definitely on to
something terrific!
Peggy Holman
206-948-0432
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:23 PM, Patrice Pederson via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
Hello everyone!
I'm a first time poster. I asked a couple questions in a facebook group
and was told about this group. I do have a couple of specific questions,
but honestly I mostly need a little reassurance that what I am attempting
to do is not completely insane. And if it is, then maybe some ideas for how
to mitigate the damage?
I've committed to literally everyone in my professional field to host a Global
Youth Summit for Freedom of Religion or Belief.
http://email.mail.firstfreedomfoundation.org/c/eJwcybFqwzAQANCvOW0NJ8mxo0GDa2MChYbQ0KFLsa27yMWuhKQY-velXd7ynGXlWAqysjb1sdEKpfCWjHGIyPNELGVFrtbj3NDEI56ITigW27Wv55d0MbED3d-kP39-bLs2T7OMPl6PzdC3oJ5v5fL21b9XZucppLa7QoXbuKyH-79z2MRqfSkxg25BDaAGDmnK_CiPRIeQ7qAGkSztlH7CN0GFIa9LLn_1GwAA___SYTt7 I've
got a few dozen countries co-sponsoring the thing as well as several NGOs.
It's something I have had on the backburner for years, until the UK Prime
Minister's Special Envoy heard about it, lit a fire under me, and now it is
spreading like wildfire and I can hardly keep up.
So here are the questions:
- So far we have young people from around 65 countries registered.
Instead of doing three eight hour days, I decided to do one 24 (well 25
really) hour day so that people can participate from wherever they are in
the world--during work, before or after school or work, etc. I genuinely
have no idea when people will participate or for how long, and I know that
this violates one of the rules of Open Space which is that it is no good to
pop in and out. But for this purpose I really don't see an alternative.
So, insane? Any way to mitigate the damage? I did schedule the Opening
Circle for a time when people should at least be awake from LA to Bangkok
(and we don't have many Pacific Islanders registered yet anyway). And for
those who are working we will record that event for later consumption.
- Does anyone have experience with multilingual Open Space events? My
first instinct was that everyone needs to speak English. But the result is
that we have only three participants from Latin America. So we are a
"global" summit minus one entire continent. So then my second thought is
that, if we could get like 50 people, with enough bilingual people to
cross-pollinate, then we could have a sort of an event within an event.
Again, crazy? Or totally fine because Open Space is Open?
Finally, this event is already going to be wild. We have a ton of
Nigerians coming, many of whom have personally seen their friends and
family members stabbed, burned, disappeared, etc., by Islamists. And then
we have Muslims whose friends and families are getting lynched by Hindus in
India, or genocided in Burma and China, and Hindus who are being persecuted
in Pakistan, and LGBTQ youth who are getting bullied by so-called
Christians, etc. etc. etc. Basically, everyone is a victim somewhere, and
everyone is an aggressor somewhere, and I'm getting them all together in
one big virtual room with 50+ breakout sessions and just one me.
So, is co-facilitation a possibility? Would anybody be interested? Also, I
do need to sleep at some point. We're going to need mechanisms to enforce a
code of conduct (nonviolence at a minimum), but I think that I shouldn't
be the one to enforce it because I need to hold the space, yes?
Basically I could just really use some support, and I read that this group
is good for that. It has been a minute since grad school when I studied all
of this stuff. And while I have taken liberties with the OST model in the
past, this time I'm worried that I might have gone too far.
Thanks for any words.
Patrice
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Dear colleagues,
as you probably noticed: 29. WOSonOS starts tomorrow in Berlin. We have about 70 participants from 16 countries - mostly European. On the agenda of day 3 (Saturday Oct 21) we have some time reserved for the decision making about the location for the next WOSonOS. If I remember correctly, we are a bit out of the geographical pattern that we once tried to follow: Americas - Europe - elsewhere. In the past four years we had:
27. edition: Washington (2019)
28. edition: Bilbao (2022)
29. edition: Berlin (2023)
30. edition: ??? (2024)
I wonder if there is any invitation to the next WOSonOS from one of you? Even if you are not physically present in Berlin we can make your invitation be heard here in Berlin on Saturday.
Please let me know whether you are considering organising the next edition. We could extend your invitation to the participants.
war regards
Jo
--
<a color="#000000">
</a>
<a color="#000000">Jo Toepfer [he/his], </a><a href="http://www.boscop.org">boscop eg</a>
Boxhagener Str. 119B, 10245 Berlin
Tel: +49-(0)30-42018000
Mob: +49-(0)176-22394083
Join us for the Wold Open Space on Open Space from Oct 18 - 21, 2023 in Berlin
More information and tickets <a href="https://www.wosonos2023.berlin/">here</a>
Dear Jo and everybody,
Already there are 2 candidates as far as I know: Bologne and Istanbul.
Thanks,
Funda Oral
17 Eki 2023 Sal 18:01 tarihinde Jo Töpfer via OSList everyone@oslist.org
şunu yazdı:
Dear colleagues,
as you probably noticed: 29. WOSonOS starts tomorrow in Berlin. We have
about 70 participants from 16 countries - mostly European. On the agenda of
day 3 (Saturday Oct 21) we have some time reserved for the decision making
about the location for the next WOSonOS. If I remember correctly, we are a
bit out of the geographical pattern that we once tried to follow: Americas
- Europe - elsewhere. In the past four years we had:
- edition: Washington (2019)
- edition: Bilbao (2022)
- edition: Berlin (2023)
- edition: ??? (2024)
I wonder if there is any invitation to the next WOSonOS from one of you?
Even if you are not physically present in Berlin we can make your
invitation be heard here in Berlin on Saturday.
Please let me know whether you are considering organising the next
edition. We could extend your invitation to the participants.
war regards
Jo
--
Jo Toepfer [he/his], boscop eg http://www.boscop.org
Boxhagener Str. 119B, 10245 Berlin
Tel: +49-(0)30-42018000
Mob: +49-(0)176-22394083
Join us for the Wold Open Space on Open Space from Oct 18 - 21, 2023 in Berlin
More information and tickets here https://www.wosonos2023.berlin/
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Dear Funda,
thank you for your message. In this case I do not worry any more about the succession of our gathering.
Warm regards
Jo
**************************
Am 17.10.23 um 20:37 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:
Dear Jo and everybody,
Already there are 2 candidates as far as I know: Bologne and Istanbul.
Thanks,
Funda Oral
17 Eki 2023 Sal 18:01 tarihinde Jo Töpfer via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> şunu yazdı:
Dear colleagues,
as you probably noticed: 29. WOSonOS starts tomorrow in Berlin. We have about 70 participants from 16 countries - mostly European. On the agenda of day 3 (Saturday Oct 21) we have some time reserved for the decision making about the location for the next WOSonOS. If I remember correctly, we are a bit out of the geographical pattern that we once tried to follow: Americas - Europe - elsewhere. In the past four years we had:
27. edition: Washington (2019)
28. edition: Bilbao (2022)
29. edition: Berlin (2023)
30. edition: ??? (2024)I wonder if there is any invitation to the next WOSonOS from one of you? Even if you are not physically present in Berlin we can make your invitation be heard here in Berlin on Saturday.
Please let me know whether you are considering organising the next edition. We could extend your invitation to the participants.
war regards
Jo--
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Boxhagener Str. 119B, 10245 Berlin
Tel: +49-(0)30-42018000
Mob: +49-(0)176-22394083
Join us for the Wold Open Space on Open Space from Oct 18 - 21, 2023 in Berlin
More information and tickets <a href="https://www.wosonos2023.berlin/">here</a>
Greetings and special wishes for a grand gathering from all of us in Taiwan
for WOSONOS 2023! May you enjoy your deep conversations and wonderful
fun!
From colleagues in Taiwan and Asia.
Gail West
On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:01 AM Jo Töpfer via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:
Dear colleagues,
as you probably noticed: 29. WOSonOS starts tomorrow in Berlin. We have
about 70 participants from 16 countries - mostly European. On the agenda of
day 3 (Saturday Oct 21) we have some time reserved for the decision making
about the location for the next WOSonOS. If I remember correctly, we are a
bit out of the geographical pattern that we once tried to follow: Americas
- Europe - elsewhere. In the past four years we had:
- edition: Washington (2019)
- edition: Bilbao (2022)
- edition: Berlin (2023)
- edition: ??? (2024)
I wonder if there is any invitation to the next WOSonOS from one of you?
Even if you are not physically present in Berlin we can make your
invitation be heard here in Berlin on Saturday.
Please let me know whether you are considering organising the next
edition. We could extend your invitation to the participants.
war regards
Jo
Dear Gail,
It's beautiful to hear from you.
Dear Jo,
As i mentionned Istanbul is one
of the candidates.
Funda
from Istanbul and now from Berlin
on my way to Wosonos 2023
19 Eki 2023 Per 08:46 tarihinde Gail West via OSList everyone@oslist.org
şunu yazdı:
Greetings and special wishes for a grand gathering from all of us in
Taiwan for WOSONOS 2023! May you enjoy your deep conversations and
wonderful fun!
From colleagues in Taiwan and Asia.
Gail West
On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:01 AM Jo Töpfer via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:
Dear colleagues,
as you probably noticed: 29. WOSonOS starts tomorrow in Berlin. We have
about 70 participants from 16 countries - mostly European. On the agenda of
day 3 (Saturday Oct 21) we have some time reserved for the decision making
about the location for the next WOSonOS. If I remember correctly, we are a
bit out of the geographical pattern that we once tried to follow: Americas
- Europe - elsewhere. In the past four years we had:
- edition: Washington (2019)
- edition: Bilbao (2022)
- edition: Berlin (2023)
- edition: ??? (2024)
I wonder if there is any invitation to the next WOSonOS from one of you?
Even if you are not physically present in Berlin we can make your
invitation be heard here in Berlin on Saturday.
Please let me know whether you are considering organising the next
edition. We could extend your invitation to the participants.
war regards
Jo
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