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Gentza Eleder

Sun, Dec 21, 2025 5:15 PM

Hello every one!

I assume that the proceedings will reach beyond the participants.
100 % sure.
If we told people that they must keep closed, I'm sure they would be "leaked" ;-)!

So, why would we put this stress on people?
Why give the privilege of informing other people
just to those that would break the rule?

A big hug you all there!

Gentza Eleder
Mundaka

Em domingo, 21 de dezembro de 2025 às 15:09, Suzanne Daigle via OSList everyone@oslist.org escreveu:

Filled with love for this community as I read Funda’s caring and thoughtful reply. It speaks so much to this gift of holding space. I feel Harrison’s presence and that of so many who responded and others also who are there simply reading.

I write now from New Zealand with my partner’s family. As always when I am in a foreign country, I feel the gift of Open Space in my life and this precious community of ours.

Suzanne

On Sun, Dec 21, 2025 at 11:59 PM Funda Oral via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Dear Thomas, Peggy, Tres, Suzanne, Michael, Chris and Jane for helping me to think further about
the issue.

In an Open Space Event where I facilitate (Facilitator, Consultant, Co-Organizer, Trainer for Self Organization) for a Host/Client, it's very important from myside to make it clear that the Proceedings will be shared at least with all the participants and the host. If the client needs a further Report from me I can work after the event to make a better sense of the event trying to answer the Main Invitation Question (the reason for opening the space).

This is in fact the Host who invites the participants. I agree with you that it's the Convener's responsibility to write the proceedings for the issue he/she finds important. However, in my experience, in cases where people are not familiar with the method, it takes some time to understand the role of convener, the meaning of the Bulletin Board etc. In this case, it's very important that the Client/Host agrees that the proceedings from the subgroups depend on the conveners, not from myself. It's of course very important to encourage and share the proceedings to everyone who participates, butterflies, bumblebees and the host. I am not responsible as the facilitator of the information
we get from the sub circles/sub groups.

I can however prepare a Final Report (as consultant) (with or without proceedings) to deliver information to the client if required.

As I mentioned earlier in this group, my interest and belief in this method stems from the atmosphere of trust, equality and openness it brings to communities and individuals (as Suzanne also mentioned) , at this point, as a facilitator and in my agreement with the host, the top priority for me is the safety of the participants. Due to many “local, existing conditions”, I may not be able to implement the method exactly as described by the book. I can say, “Whatever happens....” The only exception for me is the Safety of the participants and myself. I do not wish to share information irresponsibly in politically risky environments.

In this respect in my role as organizer and facilitator, I will reconsider up to which level WOSonOS 2024 report can be shared publicly. This has already been shared with the participants of course.

If for WOSONOSs Global Open Space Community can be considered as the Host, I am not sure how much the responsibility of the local host/organizer can be globally shared.

I have always been grateful to feel the support of the Global Community and Harrison Owen in this group.

Thanks very much for this wonderful togetherness and exchange of opinions.

I would like to take this opportunity to share my best wishes for Christmas and the New Year.

Funda

Le sam. 20 déc. 2025 à 08:22, Jane Lewis via OSList everyone@oslist.org a écrit :

Loving this conversation. I was co-host for the 2017 WOSonOS here in Tainan. We had an amazing event, yet despite (or because of?) many ways to document on offer, and words about the intention of sharable proceedings, that's not what happened.

I take Michael's observations to heart and feel renewed clarity reading them:

"I've actively encouraged the production of session reports that can be completely public. ... I think this is another case of... we can't take care of people, we can't protect them, and we only get ourselves tangled in the messiness if we try... BUT WE CAN remind them that they are responsible... they are in public and can choose for themselves what to share in the first place. In most cases, what "public" means in terms of the notes will have been modeled by where the invitation went in the first place."

I'd say I got tangled in messiness, then again everything I hear from people who were there is about the follow-on value of having been a part of it all.
I shrug and continue the effort to invite better and invite better. It truly is a lifelong process.

Jane

Jane E. Lewis 柳芝蓮
+886 (0)932 259 844
JaneELewis@gmail.com

On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 1:48 AM Michael Herman via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

This sounds like working too hard, Suzanne. Give the responsibility directly, right up front, and then do the work by the book. Publish and be done.

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org

On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:44 AM Suzanne Daigle via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Hello all,
I have found that people really open up during an Open Space, bravely and often intimately sharing their experiences and views on personal and public matters.

I understand the concern of sharing beyond the group attending. Perhaps in making these more publicly available, a note at the beginning of the proceedings that invites who attended to edit, delete or modify what they would not have wanted shared more publicly. Using a Google Doc, making it a living document. In the spirit of the Law of Two Feet…
Suzanne

On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 5:38 AM Tres Jiménez via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Should we have an open space theme with this as the topic 😊

I’m new to the group, living in the Jack London Square neighborhood of Oakland and an OST practitioner/facilitator.
I look forward to seeing you all at the upcoming summit in January and finding community to connect with after doing this work pretty solo for a decade now.

Always learning,
Tres Jiménez
www.tresjimenez.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/

From: Peggy Holman via OSList everyone@oslist.org
Date: Friday, December 19, 2025 at 8:03 AM
To: Open Space Listserv everyone@oslist.org
Subject: [OSList] Re: WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not?
Hi Funda and others,

Your question about access to WOSonOS proceedings is a question of our modern times! For many years, we have taken for granted that these proceedings should be public. Given a key purpose of WOSonOS is to share learning, that still strikes me as important.

Ironically, I recently discovered some paper copies of early OSonOS proceedings and scanned them for Michael to post. (They’re not up yet.) I removed the name and address information that were a common part of proceedings then.

So my bias is that WOSonOS proceedings be public as a vehicle for learning. I think it would be sad that some future learner, perhaps a graduate student studying the spread on self-organizing forms of human endeavor, would not have access to this rich treasure trove from pioneers. :-)

Your question does raise the thought that when opening the space, the host makes it explicit that the notes are public. If someone doesn’t want their notes to be in the proceedings, they can simply not provide them. I say something about how notes will be used when working with clients. It makes sense to do that at WOSonOS.

What do others think?

Peggy

On Dec 19, 2025, at 12:44 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Hi Funda hi collegues
The proceedings from our gatherings are kept accessible on the open space world site.
Here is the link: https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/
Best regards to you all
Thomas

Skickat från Outlook för iOS

Från: Funda Oral via OSList everyone@oslist.org
Skickat: fredag, december 19, 2025 09:12
Till: OS LIST 2022 everyone@oslist.org
Ämne: [OSList] WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not?

Dear Michael, Dear Colleagues,

Dear Michael (Herman), thank you for all your work to keep the Open Space World website alive and accessible. I have learned so much
from that site.

I have a question/issue that I did not think about before, are the reports from WOSonOS`s are accessible
to everyone now? Should they be?

There have been a few requests to access the Reports of WOSonOS 2024 and I hesitated to accept them.

According to my understanding, the reports should only be accessible to/by those who have participated in the relevant OST.

Looking forward to hearing from you
Funda Oral

from Stuttgart, Germany where Data Protection is everywhere.

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To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org
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> Hello every one! > > I assume that the proceedings will reach beyond the participants. > 100 % sure. > If we told people that they must keep closed, I'm sure they would be "leaked" ;-)! > > So, why would we put this stress on people? > Why give the privilege of informing other people > just to those that would break the rule? > > A big hug you all there! > > Gentza Eleder > Mundaka > > Em domingo, 21 de dezembro de 2025 às 15:09, Suzanne Daigle via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> escreveu: > >> Filled with love for this community as I read Funda’s caring and thoughtful reply. It speaks so much to this gift of holding space. I feel Harrison’s presence and that of so many who responded and others also who are there simply reading. >> >> I write now from New Zealand with my partner’s family. As always when I am in a foreign country, I feel the gift of Open Space in my life and this precious community of ours. >> >> Suzanne >> >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2025 at 11:59 PM Funda Oral via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >> >>> Dear Thomas, Peggy, Tres, Suzanne, Michael, Chris and Jane for helping me to think further about >>> the issue. >>> >>> In an Open Space Event where I facilitate (Facilitator, Consultant, Co-Organizer, Trainer for Self Organization) for a Host/Client, it's very important from myside to make it clear that the Proceedings will be shared at least with all the participants and the host. If the client needs a further Report from me I can work after the event to make a better sense of the event trying to answer the Main Invitation Question (the reason for opening the space). >>> >>> This is in fact the Host who invites the participants. I agree with you that it's the Convener's responsibility to write the proceedings for the issue he/she finds important. However, in my experience, in cases where people are not familiar with the method, it takes some time to understand the role of convener, the meaning of the Bulletin Board etc. In this case, it's very important that the Client/Host agrees that the proceedings from the subgroups depend on the conveners, not from myself. It's of course very important to encourage and share the proceedings to everyone who participates, butterflies, bumblebees and the host. I am not responsible as the facilitator of the information >>> we get from the sub circles/sub groups. >>> >>> I can however prepare a Final Report (as consultant) (with or without proceedings) to deliver information to the client if required. >>> >>> As I mentioned earlier in this group, my interest and belief in this method stems from the atmosphere of trust, equality and openness it brings to communities and individuals (as Suzanne also mentioned) , at this point, as a facilitator and in my agreement with the host, the top priority for me is the safety of the participants. Due to many “local, existing conditions”, I may not be able to implement the method exactly as described by the book. I can say, “Whatever happens....” The only exception for me is the Safety of the participants and myself. I do not wish to share information irresponsibly in politically risky environments. >>> >>> In this respect in my role as organizer and facilitator, I will reconsider up to which level WOSonOS 2024 report can be shared publicly. This has already been shared with the participants of course. >>> >>> If for WOSONOSs Global Open Space Community can be considered as the Host, I am not sure how much the responsibility of the local host/organizer can be globally shared. >>> >>> I have always been grateful to feel the support of the Global Community and Harrison Owen in this group. >>> >>> Thanks very much for this wonderful togetherness and exchange of opinions. >>> >>> I would like to take this opportunity to share my best wishes for Christmas and the New Year. >>> >>> Funda >>> >>> Le sam. 20 déc. 2025 à 08:22, Jane Lewis via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> a écrit : >>> >>>> Loving this conversation. I was co-host for the 2017 WOSonOS here in Tainan. We had an amazing event, yet despite (or because of?) many ways to document on offer, and words about the intention of sharable proceedings, that's not what happened. >>>> >>>> I take Michael's observations to heart and feel renewed clarity reading them: >>>> >>>> "I've actively encouraged the production of session reports that can be completely public. ... I think this is another case of... we can't take care of people, we can't protect them, and we only get ourselves tangled in the messiness if we try... BUT WE CAN remind them that they are responsible... they are in public and can choose for themselves what to share in the first place. In most cases, what "public" means in terms of the notes will have been modeled by where the invitation went in the first place." >>>> >>>> I'd say I got tangled in messiness, then again everything I hear from people who were there is about the follow-on value of having been a part of it all. >>>> I shrug and continue the effort to invite better and invite better. It truly is a lifelong process. >>>> >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> Jane E. Lewis 柳芝蓮 >>>> +886 (0)932 259 844 >>>> JaneELewis@gmail.com >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 1:48 AM Michael Herman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This sounds like working too hard, Suzanne. Give the responsibility directly, right up front, and then do the work by the book. Publish and be done. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Michael Herman >>>>> Michael Herman Associates >>>>> 312-280-7838 (mobile) >>>>> >>>>> MichaelHerman.com >>>>> OpenSpaceWorld.org >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:44 AM Suzanne Daigle via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> I have found that people really open up during an Open Space, bravely and often intimately sharing their experiences and views on personal and public matters. >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand the concern of sharing beyond the group attending. Perhaps in making these more publicly available, a note at the beginning of the proceedings that invites who attended to edit, delete or modify what they would not have wanted shared more publicly. Using a Google Doc, making it a living document. In the spirit of the Law of Two Feet… >>>>>> Suzanne >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 5:38 AM Tres Jiménez via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should we have an open space theme with this as the topic 😊 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m new to the group, living in the Jack London Square neighborhood of Oakland and an OST practitioner/facilitator. >>>>>>> I look forward to seeing you all at the upcoming summit in January and finding community to connect with after doing this work pretty solo for a decade now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Always learning, >>>>>>> Tres Jiménez >>>>>>> www.tresjimenez.com >>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >>>>>>> Date: Friday, December 19, 2025 at 8:03 AM >>>>>>> To: Open Space Listserv <everyone@oslist.org> >>>>>>> Subject: [OSList] Re: WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not? >>>>>>> Hi Funda and others, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your question about access to WOSonOS proceedings is a question of our modern times! For many years, we have taken for granted that these proceedings should be public. Given a key purpose of WOSonOS is to share learning, that still strikes me as important. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ironically, I recently discovered some paper copies of early OSonOS proceedings and scanned them for Michael to post. (They’re not up yet.) I removed the name and address information that were a common part of proceedings then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So my bias is that WOSonOS proceedings be public as a vehicle for learning. I think it would be sad that some future learner, perhaps a graduate student studying the spread on self-organizing forms of human endeavor, would not have access to this rich treasure trove from pioneers. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your question does raise the thought that when opening the space, the host makes it explicit that the notes are public. If someone doesn’t want their notes to be in the proceedings, they can simply not provide them. I say something about how notes will be used when working with clients. It makes sense to do that at WOSonOS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do others think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peggy >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2025, at 12:44 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Funda hi collegues >>>>>>>> The proceedings from our gatherings are kept accessible on the open space world site. >>>>>>>> Here is the link: https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/ >>>>>>>> Best regards to you all >>>>>>>> Thomas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skickat från [Outlook för iOS](https://aka.ms/o0ukef) >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Från: Funda Oral via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >>>>>>>> Skickat: fredag, december 19, 2025 09:12 >>>>>>>> Till: OS LIST 2022 <everyone@oslist.org> >>>>>>>> Ämne: [OSList] WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Michael, Dear Colleagues, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Michael (Herman), thank you for all your work to keep the Open Space World website alive and accessible. I have learned so much >>>>>>>> from that site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a question/issue that I did not think about before, are the reports from WOSonOS`s are accessible >>>>>>>> to everyone now? Should they be? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There have been a few requests to access the Reports of WOSonOS 2024 and I hesitated to accept them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> According to my understanding, the reports should only be accessible to/by those who have participated in the relevant OST. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing from you >>>>>>>> Funda Oral >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> from Stuttgart, Germany where Data Protection is everywhere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>>>>>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>>>>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>>>> >>>>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>>>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>>> >>>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>> >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

MK

Marai Kiele

Thu, Dec 25, 2025 12:56 PM

Your message lands with me like a breath of fresh air.
Thank you, Gentza!

Am 21.12.2025 um 18:15 schrieb Gentza Eleder via OSList everyone@oslist.org:

Hello every one!

I assume that the proceedings will reach beyond the participants.
100 % sure.
If we told people that they must keep closed, I'm sure they would be "leaked" ;-)!

So, why would we put this stress on people?
Why give the privilege of informing other people
just to those that would break the rule?

A big hug you all there!

Gentza Eleder
Mundaka

Em domingo, 21 de dezembro de 2025 às 15:09, Suzanne Daigle via OSList everyone@oslist.org escreveu:

Filled with love for this community as I read Funda’s caring and thoughtful reply. It speaks so much to this gift of holding space. I feel Harrison’s presence and that of so many who responded and others also who are there simply reading.

I write now from New Zealand with my partner’s family. As always when I am in a foreign country, I feel the gift of Open Space in my life and this precious community of ours.

Suzanne

On Sun, Dec 21, 2025 at 11:59 PM Funda Oral via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Dear Thomas, Peggy, Tres, Suzanne, Michael, Chris and Jane for helping me to think further about
the issue.

In an Open Space Event where I facilitate (Facilitator, Consultant, Co-Organizer, Trainer for Self Organization) for a Host/Client, it's very important from myside to make it clear that the Proceedings will be shared at least with all the participants and the host. If the client needs a further Report from me I can work after the event to make a better sense of the event trying to answer the Main Invitation Question (the reason for opening the space).

This is in fact the Host who invites the participants. I agree with you that it's the Convener's responsibility to write the proceedings for the issue he/she finds important. However, in my experience, in cases where people are not familiar with the method, it takes some time to understand the role of convener, the meaning of the Bulletin Board etc. In this case, it's very important that the Client/Host agrees that the proceedings from the subgroups depend on the conveners, not from myself. It's of course very important to encourage and share the proceedings to everyone who participates, butterflies, bumblebees and the host. I am not responsible as the facilitator of the information
we get from the sub circles/sub groups.

I can however prepare a Final Report (as consultant) (with or without proceedings) to deliver information to the client if required.

As I mentioned earlier in this group, my interest and belief in this method stems from the atmosphere of trust, equality and openness it brings to communities and individuals (as Suzanne also mentioned) , at this point, as a facilitator and in my agreement with the host, the top priority for me is the safety of the participants. Due to many “local, existing conditions”, I may not be able to implement the method exactly as described by the book. I can say, “Whatever happens....” The only exception for me is the Safety of the participants and myself. I do not wish to share information irresponsibly in politically risky environments.
In this respect in my role as organizer and facilitator, I will reconsider up to which level WOSonOS 2024 report can be shared publicly. This has already been shared with the participants of course.

If for WOSONOSs Global Open Space Community can be considered as the Host, I am not sure how much the responsibility of the local host/organizer can be globally shared.

I have always been grateful to feel the support of the Global Community and Harrison Owen in this group.

Thanks very much for this wonderful togetherness and exchange of opinions.

I would like to take this opportunity to share my best wishes for Christmas and the New Year.

Funda

Le sam. 20 déc. 2025 à 08:22, Jane Lewis via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org> a écrit :
Loving this conversation. I was co-host for the 2017 WOSonOS here in Tainan. We had an amazing event, yet despite (or because of?) many ways to document on offer, and words about the intention of sharable proceedings, that's not what happened.

I take Michael's observations to heart and feel renewed clarity reading them:

"I've actively encouraged the production of session reports that can be completely public. ... I think this is another case of... we can't take care of people, we can't protect them, and we only get ourselves tangled in the messiness if we try... BUT WE CAN remind them that they are responsible... they are in public and can choose for themselves what to share in the first place. In most cases, what "public" means in terms of the notes will have been modeled by where the invitation went in the first place."

I'd say I got tangled in messiness, then again everything I hear from people who were there is about the follow-on value of having been a part of it all.
I shrug and continue the effort to invite better and invite better. It truly is a lifelong process.
Jane

Jane E. Lewis 柳芝蓮
+886 (0)932 259 844 <>
JaneELewis@gmail.com <> <>

On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 1:48 AM Michael Herman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
This sounds like working too hard, Suzanne. Give the responsibility directly, right up front, and then do the work by the book. Publish and be done.

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com http://michaelherman.com/
OpenSpaceWorld.org http://openspaceworld.org/

On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:44 AM Suzanne Daigle via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
Hello all,
I have found that people really open up during an Open Space, bravely and often intimately sharing their experiences and views on personal and public matters.

I understand the concern of sharing beyond the group attending. Perhaps in making these more publicly available, a note at the beginning of the proceedings that invites who attended to edit, delete or modify what they would not have wanted shared more publicly. Using a Google Doc, making it a living document. In the spirit of the Law of Two Feet…
Suzanne

On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 5:38 AM Tres Jiménez via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

Should we have an open space theme with this as the topic 😊

I’m new to the group, living in the Jack London Square neighborhood of Oakland and an OST practitioner/facilitator.
I look forward to seeing you all at the upcoming summit in January and finding community to connect with after doing this work pretty solo for a decade now.

Always learning,
Tres Jiménez
www.tresjimenez.com http://www.tresjimenez.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/

From: Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org>
Date: Friday, December 19, 2025 at 8:03 AM
To: Open Space Listserv <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org>
Subject: [OSList] Re: WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not?

Hi Funda and others,

Your question about access to WOSonOS proceedings is a question of our modern times! For many years, we have taken for granted that these proceedings should be public. Given a key purpose of WOSonOS is to share learning, that still strikes me as important.

Ironically, I recently discovered some paper copies of early OSonOS proceedings and scanned them for Michael to post. (They’re not up yet.) I removed the name and address information that were a common part of proceedings then.

So my bias is that WOSonOS proceedings be public as a vehicle for learning. I think it would be sad that some future learner, perhaps a graduate student studying the spread on self-organizing forms of human endeavor, would not have access to this rich treasure trove from pioneers. :-)

Your question does raise the thought that when opening the space, the host makes it explicit that the notes are public. If someone doesn’t want their notes to be in the proceedings, they can simply not provide them. I say something about how notes will be used when working with clients. It makes sense to do that at WOSonOS.

What do others think?

Peggy

On Dec 19, 2025, at 12:44 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Hi Funda hi collegues
The proceedings from our gatherings are kept accessible on the open space world site.
Here is the link: https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/ https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/
Best regards to you all
Thomas

Skickat från Outlook för iOS https://aka.ms/o0ukef
Från: Funda Oral via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org>
Skickat: fredag, december 19, 2025 09:12
Till: OS LIST 2022 <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org>
Ämne: [OSList] WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not?

Dear Michael, Dear Colleagues,

Dear Michael (Herman), thank you for all your work to keep the Open Space World website alive and accessible. I have learned so much
from that site.

I have a question/issue that I did not think about before, are the reports from WOSonOS`s are accessible
to everyone now? Should they be?

There have been a few requests to access the Reports of WOSonOS 2024 and I hesitated to accept them.

According to my understanding, the reports should only be accessible to/by those who have participated in the relevant OST.

Looking forward to hearing from you
Funda Oral

from Stuttgart, Germany where Data Protection is everywhere.

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Your message lands with me like a breath of fresh air. Thank you, Gentza! > Am 21.12.2025 um 18:15 schrieb Gentza Eleder via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>: > > >> Hello every one! >> >> I assume that the proceedings will reach beyond the participants. >> 100 % sure. >> If we told people that they must keep closed, I'm sure they would be "leaked" ;-)! >> >> So, why would we put this stress on people? >> Why give the privilege of informing other people >> just to those that would break the rule? >> >> A big hug you all there! >> >> Gentza Eleder >> Mundaka >> >> >> Em domingo, 21 de dezembro de 2025 às 15:09, Suzanne Daigle via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> escreveu: >>> Filled with love for this community as I read Funda’s caring and thoughtful reply. It speaks so much to this gift of holding space. I feel Harrison’s presence and that of so many who responded and others also who are there simply reading. >>> >>> I write now from New Zealand with my partner’s family. As always when I am in a foreign country, I feel the gift of Open Space in my life and this precious community of ours. >>> >>> Suzanne >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2025 at 11:59 PM Funda Oral via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Thomas, Peggy, Tres, Suzanne, Michael, Chris and Jane for helping me to think further about >>> the issue. >>> >>> In an Open Space Event where I facilitate (Facilitator, Consultant, Co-Organizer, Trainer for Self Organization) for a Host/Client, it's very important from myside to make it clear that the Proceedings will be shared at least with all the participants and the host. If the client needs a further Report from me I can work after the event to make a better sense of the event trying to answer the Main Invitation Question (the reason for opening the space). >>> >>> This is in fact the Host who invites the participants. I agree with you that it's the Convener's responsibility to write the proceedings for the issue he/she finds important. However, in my experience, in cases where people are not familiar with the method, it takes some time to understand the role of convener, the meaning of the Bulletin Board etc. In this case, it's very important that the Client/Host agrees that the proceedings from the subgroups depend on the conveners, not from myself. It's of course very important to encourage and share the proceedings to everyone who participates, butterflies, bumblebees and the host. I am not responsible as the facilitator of the information >>> we get from the sub circles/sub groups. >>> >>> I can however prepare a Final Report (as consultant) (with or without proceedings) to deliver information to the client if required. >>> >>> As I mentioned earlier in this group, my interest and belief in this method stems from the atmosphere of trust, equality and openness it brings to communities and individuals (as Suzanne also mentioned) , at this point, as a facilitator and in my agreement with the host, the top priority for me is the safety of the participants. Due to many “local, existing conditions”, I may not be able to implement the method exactly as described by the book. I can say, “Whatever happens....” The only exception for me is the Safety of the participants and myself. I do not wish to share information irresponsibly in politically risky environments. >>> In this respect in my role as organizer and facilitator, I will reconsider up to which level WOSonOS 2024 report can be shared publicly. This has already been shared with the participants of course. >>> >>> If for WOSONOSs Global Open Space Community can be considered as the Host, I am not sure how much the responsibility of the local host/organizer can be globally shared. >>> >>> I have always been grateful to feel the support of the Global Community and Harrison Owen in this group. >>> >>> Thanks very much for this wonderful togetherness and exchange of opinions. >>> >>> I would like to take this opportunity to share my best wishes for Christmas and the New Year. >>> >>> Funda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le sam. 20 déc. 2025 à 08:22, Jane Lewis via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> a écrit : >>> Loving this conversation. I was co-host for the 2017 WOSonOS here in Tainan. We had an amazing event, yet despite (or because of?) many ways to document on offer, and words about the intention of sharable proceedings, that's not what happened. >>> >>> I take Michael's observations to heart and feel renewed clarity reading them: >>> >>> "I've actively encouraged the production of session reports that can be completely public. ... I think this is another case of... we can't take care of people, we can't protect them, and we only get ourselves tangled in the messiness if we try... BUT WE CAN remind them that they are responsible... they are in public and can choose for themselves what to share in the first place. In most cases, what "public" means in terms of the notes will have been modeled by where the invitation went in the first place." >>> >>> I'd say I got tangled in messiness, then again everything I hear from people who were there is about the follow-on value of having been a part of it all. >>> I shrug and continue the effort to invite better and invite better. It truly is a lifelong process. >>> Jane >>> >>> Jane E. Lewis 柳芝蓮 >>> +886 (0)932 259 844 <> >>> JaneELewis@gmail.com <> <> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 1:48 AM Michael Herman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> wrote: >>> This sounds like working too hard, Suzanne. Give the responsibility directly, right up front, and then do the work by the book. Publish and be done. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Michael Herman >>> Michael Herman Associates >>> 312-280-7838 (mobile) >>> >>> MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/> >>> OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:44 AM Suzanne Daigle via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> I have found that people really open up during an Open Space, bravely and often intimately sharing their experiences and views on personal and public matters. >>> >>> I understand the concern of sharing beyond the group attending. Perhaps in making these more publicly available, a note at the beginning of the proceedings that invites who attended to edit, delete or modify what they would not have wanted shared more publicly. Using a Google Doc, making it a living document. In the spirit of the Law of Two Feet… >>> Suzanne >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 5:38 AM Tres Jiménez via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Should we have an open space theme with this as the topic 😊 >>> >>> I’m new to the group, living in the Jack London Square neighborhood of Oakland and an OST practitioner/facilitator. >>> I look forward to seeing you all at the upcoming summit in January and finding community to connect with after doing this work pretty solo for a decade now. >>> >>> Always learning, >>> Tres Jiménez >>> www.tresjimenez.com <http://www.tresjimenez.com/> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/> >>> >>> From: Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> >>> Date: Friday, December 19, 2025 at 8:03 AM >>> To: Open Space Listserv <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> >>> Subject: [OSList] Re: WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not? >>> >>> Hi Funda and others, >>> >>> Your question about access to WOSonOS proceedings is a question of our modern times! For many years, we have taken for granted that these proceedings should be public. Given a key purpose of WOSonOS is to share learning, that still strikes me as important. >>> >>> Ironically, I recently discovered some paper copies of early OSonOS proceedings and scanned them for Michael to post. (They’re not up yet.) I removed the name and address information that were a common part of proceedings then. >>> >>> So my bias is that WOSonOS proceedings be public as a vehicle for learning. I think it would be sad that some future learner, perhaps a graduate student studying the spread on self-organizing forms of human endeavor, would not have access to this rich treasure trove from pioneers. :-) >>> >>> Your question does raise the thought that when opening the space, the host makes it explicit that the notes are public. If someone doesn’t want their notes to be in the proceedings, they can simply not provide them. I say something about how notes will be used when working with clients. It makes sense to do that at WOSonOS. >>> >>> What do others think? >>> >>> Peggy >>> >>> >>> On Dec 19, 2025, at 12:44 AM, Thomas Herrmann via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Funda hi collegues >>> The proceedings from our gatherings are kept accessible on the open space world site. >>> Here is the link: https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/ <https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/> >>> Best regards to you all >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> Skickat från Outlook för iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> Från: Funda Oral via OSList <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> >>> Skickat: fredag, december 19, 2025 09:12 >>> Till: OS LIST 2022 <everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org>> >>> Ämne: [OSList] WOSonOS reports, should they be accessible to everyone or not? >>> >>> Dear Michael, Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> Dear Michael (Herman), thank you for all your work to keep the Open Space World website alive and accessible. I have learned so much >>> from that site. >>> >>> I have a question/issue that I did not think about before, are the reports from WOSonOS`s are accessible >>> to everyone now? Should they be? >>> >>> There have been a few requests to access the Reports of WOSonOS 2024 and I hesitated to accept them. >>> >>> According to my understanding, the reports should only be accessible to/by those who have participated in the relevant OST. >>> >>> Looking forward to hearing from you >>> Funda Oral >>> >>> from Stuttgart, Germany where Data Protection is everywhere. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org> >>> >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org>OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org>OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org>OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org>OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org <mailto:everyone@oslist.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org <mailto:everyone-leave@oslist.org> >>> See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org <https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org> > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

MM

Michael M Pannwitz

Thu, Dec 25, 2025 4:08 PM

Looking at the boxes in the basement with more than 150 "Books of
Proceedings" I
would place them today into the category "one thing less to do".

Considering the actionorienting approach of ost the focus of the
approach is on the
future "Projects" on the base of all the stuff that was discussed,
posted, read, augmented and mulled over.

Here is a story I heard of:

"One gathering for people that could not write or read had the following
structure:
--- Participants announced their issues for the first round of x
breakout spaces
--- Participants scattered into breakoutsessions that interested them
--- After each round of breakoutsessions the participants gathered in
the large circle
and listened to what people wanted to report from the first round of
breakoutsessions
--- After that they announced further issues and went into the second
round of
breakoutsession... etc.
--- In the project part on the last day they gathered into action
sessions and
reported on the actions they were going to take."

Does anyone of you know who told this story?

Greetings from Berlin where our house is full of some of our daughters,
sons and grandchildren
and friends

Cheers
mmp

Am 25.12.2025 um 13:56 schrieb Marai Kiele via OSList:

Your message lands with me like a breath of fresh air.
Thank you, Gentza!

Am 21.12.2025 um 18:15 schrieb Gentza Eleder via OSList
everyone@oslist.org:

Hello every one!

I assume that the proceedings will reach beyond the participants.
100 % sure.
If we told people that they must keep closed, I'm sure they would be
"leaked" ;-)!

So, why would we put this stress on people?
Why give the privilege of informing other people
just to those that would break the rule?

A big hug you all there!

Gentza Eleder
Mundaka

Em domingo, 21 de dezembro de 2025 às 15:09, Suzanne Daigle via
OSList everyone@oslist.org escreveu:

Filled with love for this community as I read Funda’s caring and
thoughtful reply. It speaks so much to this gift of holding space.
I feel Harrison’s presence and that of so many who responded and
others also who are there simply reading.

I write now from New Zealand with my partner’s family. As always
when I am in a foreign country, I feel the gift of Open Space in my
life and this precious community of ours.

Suzanne

On Sun, Dec 21, 2025 at 11:59 PM Funda Oral via OSList
everyone@oslist.org wrote:

 Dear Thomas, Peggy, Tres, Suzanne, Michael, Chris and Jane for
 helping me to think further about
 the issue.

 In an Open Space Event where I facilitate (*Facilitator,
 **Consultant, Co-Organizer, Trainer for Self Organization)* for
 a Host/Client, it's very important from myside to make it clear
 that the *Proceedings* will be shared at least with all the
 participants and the host. If the client needs a
 further*Report* from me I can work after the event to make a
 better sense of the event trying to answer the *Main Invitation
 Question* (the reason for opening the space).

 This is in fact*the Host *who invites the participants. I agree
 with you that it's the *Convener's *responsibility to write the
 proceedings for the issue he/she finds important. However, in
 my experience, in cases where people are not familiar with the
 method, it takes some time to understand the role of convener,
 the meaning of the*Bulletin Board *etc. In this case, it's very
 important that the *Client/Host *agrees that the proceedings
 from the subgroups depend on the conveners, not from myself.
 It's of course very important to encourage and share the
 proceedings to everyone who participates, butterflies,
 bumblebees and the host. I am not responsible as the
 facilitator of the information
 we get from the sub circles/sub groups.

 I can however prepare a *Final Report (as consultant) *(with or
 without proceedings) to deliver information to the client if
 required.

 As I mentioned earlier in this group, my interest and belief in
 this method stems from the atmosphere of trust, equality and
 openness it brings to communities and individuals (as Suzanne
 also mentioned) , at this point, as a facilitator and in my
 agreement with the host, the top priority for me is the safety
 of the participants. Due to many “local, existing conditions”,
 I may not be able to implement the method exactly as described
 by the book. I can say, “Whatever happens....” The only
 exception for me is the *Safety* of the participants and
 myself. I do not wish to share information irresponsibly in
 politically risky environments.

 In this respect in my role as organizer and facilitator, I will
 reconsider up to which level WOSonOS 2024 report can be shared
 publicly. This has already been shared with the participants of
 course.

 If for WOSONOSs *Global Open Space Community *can be considered
 as the Host, I am not sure how much the responsibility of the
 local host/organizer can be globally shared.

 I have always been grateful to feel the support of the *Global
 Community *and *Harrison Owen* in this group.

 Thanks very much for this wonderful togetherness and exchange
 of opinions.

 I would like to take this opportunity to share my best wishes
 for Christmas and the New Year.

 Funda














 Le sam. 20 déc. 2025 à 08:22, Jane Lewis via OSList
 <everyone@oslist.org> a écrit :

     Loving this conversation. I was co-host for the 2017
     WOSonOS here in Tainan. We had an amazing event, yet
     despite (or because of?) many ways to document on offer,
     and words about the intention of sharable proceedings,
     that's not what happened.

     I take Michael's observations to heart and feel renewed
     clarity reading them:

     "I've actively encouraged the production of session reports
     that can be completely public. ... I think this is another
     case of... we can't take care of people, we can't protect
     them, and we only get ourselves tangled in the messiness if
     we try... BUT WE CAN remind them that they are
     responsible... they are in public and can choose for
     themselves what to share in the first place. In most cases,
     what "public" means in terms of the notes will have been
     modeled by where the invitation went in the first place."

     I'd say I got tangled in messiness, then again everything I
     hear from people who were there is about the follow-on
     value of having been a part of it all.
     I shrug and continue the effort to invite better and invite
     better. It truly is a lifelong process.
     Jane

     Jane E. Lewis 柳 芝 蓮
     +886 (0)932 259 844
     JaneELewis@gmail.com
     **********


     On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 1:48 AM Michael Herman via OSList
     <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

         This sounds like working too hard, Suzanne. Give the
         responsibility directly, right up front, and then do
         the work by the book. Publish and be done.



         --

         Michael Herman
         Michael Herman Associates
         312-280-7838 (mobile)

         MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/>
         OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>




         On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:44 AM Suzanne Daigle via
         OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

             Hello all,
             I have found that people really open up during an
             Open Space, bravely and often intimately sharing
             their experiences and views on personal and public
             matters.

             I understand the concern of sharing beyond the
             group attending. Perhaps in making these more
             publicly available, a note at the beginning of the
             proceedings that invites who attended to edit,
             delete or modify what they would not have wanted
             shared more publicly. Using a Google Doc, making it
             a living document. In the spirit of the Law of Two
             Feet…
             Suzanne

             On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 5:38 AM Tres Jiménez via
             OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

                 Hi Everyone,

                 Should we have an open space theme with this as
                 the topic 😊

                 I’m new to the group, living in the Jack London
                 Square neighborhood of Oakland and an OST
                 practitioner/facilitator.
                 I look forward to seeing you all at the
                 upcoming summit in January and finding
                 community to connect with after doing this work
                 pretty solo for a decade now.

                 Always learning,
                 Tres Jiménez
                 www.tresjimenez.com <http://www.tresjimenez.com/>
                 https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/

                 *From: *Peggy Holman via OSList
                 <everyone@oslist.org>
                 *Date: *Friday, December 19, 2025 at 8:03 AM
                 *To: *Open Space Listserv <everyone@oslist.org>
                 *Subject: *[OSList] Re: WOSonOS reports, should
                 they be accessible to everyone or not?

                 Hi Funda and others,

                 Your question about access to WOSonOS
                 proceedings is a question of our modern times!
                 For many years, we have taken for granted that
                 these proceedings should be public. Given a key
                 purpose of WOSonOS is to share learning, that
                 still strikes me as important.

                 Ironically, I recently discovered some paper
                 copies of early OSonOS proceedings and scanned
                 them for Michael to post. (They’re not up yet.)
                 I removed the name and address information that
                 were a common part of proceedings then.

                 So my bias is that WOSonOS proceedings be
                 public as a vehicle for learning. I think it
                 would be sad that some future learner, perhaps
                 a graduate student studying the spread on
                 self-organizing forms of human endeavor, would
                 not have access to this rich treasure trove
                 from pioneers. :-)

                 Your question does raise the thought that when
                 opening the space, the host makes it explicit
                 that the notes are public. If someone doesn’t
                 want their notes to be in the proceedings, they
                 can simply not provide them. I say something
                 about how notes will be used when working with
                 clients. It makes sense to do that at WOSonOS.

                 What do others think?

                 Peggy


                     On Dec 19, 2025, at 12:44 AM, Thomas
                     Herrmann via OSList <everyone@oslist.org>
                     wrote:

                     Hi Funda hi collegues
                     The proceedings from our gatherings are
                     kept accessible on the open space world site.
                     Here is the link:
                     https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/
                     Best regards to you all
                     Thomas


                     Skickat från Outlook för iOS
                     <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
                     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                     *Från:* Funda Oral via OSList
                     <everyone@oslist.org>
                     *Skickat:* fredag, december 19, 2025 09:12
                     *Till:* OS LIST 2022 <everyone@oslist.org>
                     *Ämne:* [OSList] WOSonOS reports, should
                     they be accessible to everyone or not?

                     Dear Michael, Dear Colleagues,

                     Dear Michael (Herman), thank you for all
                     your work to keep the Open Space World
                     website alive and accessible. I have
                     learned so much
                     from that site.

                     I have a question/issue that I did not
                     think about before, are the reports from
                     WOSonOS`s are accessible
                     to everyone now? Should they be?

                     There have been a few requests to access
                     the Reports of WOSonOS 2024 and I hesitated
                     to accept them.

                     According to my understanding, the reports
                     should only be accessible to/by those who
                     have participated in the relevant OST.

                     Looking forward to hearing from you
                     Funda Oral

                     from Stuttgart, Germany where Data
                     Protection is everywhere.





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Looking at the boxes in the basement with more than 150 "Books of Proceedings" I would place them today into the category "one thing less to do". Considering the actionorienting approach of ost the focus of the approach is on the future "Projects" on the base of all the stuff that was discussed, posted, read, augmented and mulled over. Here is a story I heard of: "One gathering for people that could not write or read had the following structure: --- Participants announced their issues for the first round of x breakout spaces --- Participants scattered into breakoutsessions that interested them --- After each round of breakoutsessions the participants gathered in the large circle and listened to what people wanted to report from the first round of breakoutsessions --- After that they announced further issues and went into the second round of breakoutsession... etc. --- In the project part on the last day they gathered into action sessions and reported on the actions they were going to take." Does anyone of you know who told this story? Greetings from Berlin where our house is full of some of our daughters, sons and grandchildren and friends Cheers mmp Am 25.12.2025 um 13:56 schrieb Marai Kiele via OSList: > Your message lands with me like a breath of fresh air. > Thank you, Gentza! > > >> Am 21.12.2025 um 18:15 schrieb Gentza Eleder via OSList >> <everyone@oslist.org>: >> >> >>> Hello every one! >>> >>> I assume that the proceedings will reach beyond the participants. >>> 100 % sure. >>> If we told people that they must keep closed, I'm sure they would be >>> "leaked" ;-)! >>> >>> So, why would we put this stress on people? >>> Why give the privilege of informing other people >>> just to those that would break the rule? >>> >>> A big hug you all there! >>> >>> Gentza Eleder >>> Mundaka >>> >>> >>> Em domingo, 21 de dezembro de 2025 às 15:09, Suzanne Daigle via >>> OSList <everyone@oslist.org> escreveu: >>>> Filled with love for this community as I read Funda’s caring and >>>> thoughtful reply. It speaks so much to this gift of holding space. >>>> I feel Harrison’s presence and that of so many who responded and >>>> others also who are there simply reading. >>>> >>>> I write now from New Zealand with my partner’s family. As always >>>> when I am in a foreign country, I feel the gift of Open Space in my >>>> life and this precious community of ours. >>>> >>>> Suzanne >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2025 at 11:59 PM Funda Oral via OSList >>>> <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Thomas, Peggy, Tres, Suzanne, Michael, Chris and Jane for >>>> helping me to think further about >>>> the issue. >>>> >>>> In an Open Space Event where I facilitate (*Facilitator, >>>> **Consultant, Co-Organizer, Trainer for Self Organization)* for >>>> a Host/Client, it's very important from myside to make it clear >>>> that the *Proceedings* will be shared at least with all the >>>> participants and the host. If the client needs a >>>> further*Report* from me I can work after the event to make a >>>> better sense of the event trying to answer the *Main Invitation >>>> Question* (the reason for opening the space). >>>> >>>> This is in fact*the Host *who invites the participants. I agree >>>> with you that it's the *Convener's *responsibility to write the >>>> proceedings for the issue he/she finds important. However, in >>>> my experience, in cases where people are not familiar with the >>>> method, it takes some time to understand the role of convener, >>>> the meaning of the*Bulletin Board *etc. In this case, it's very >>>> important that the *Client/Host *agrees that the proceedings >>>> from the subgroups depend on the conveners, not from myself. >>>> It's of course very important to encourage and share the >>>> proceedings to everyone who participates, butterflies, >>>> bumblebees and the host. I am not responsible as the >>>> facilitator of the information >>>> we get from the sub circles/sub groups. >>>> >>>> I can however prepare a *Final Report (as consultant) *(with or >>>> without proceedings) to deliver information to the client if >>>> required. >>>> >>>> As I mentioned earlier in this group, my interest and belief in >>>> this method stems from the atmosphere of trust, equality and >>>> openness it brings to communities and individuals (as Suzanne >>>> also mentioned) , at this point, as a facilitator and in my >>>> agreement with the host, the top priority for me is the safety >>>> of the participants. Due to many “local, existing conditions”, >>>> I may not be able to implement the method exactly as described >>>> by the book. I can say, “Whatever happens....” The only >>>> exception for me is the *Safety* of the participants and >>>> myself. I do not wish to share information irresponsibly in >>>> politically risky environments. >>>> >>>> In this respect in my role as organizer and facilitator, I will >>>> reconsider up to which level WOSonOS 2024 report can be shared >>>> publicly. This has already been shared with the participants of >>>> course. >>>> >>>> If for WOSONOSs *Global Open Space Community *can be considered >>>> as the Host, I am not sure how much the responsibility of the >>>> local host/organizer can be globally shared. >>>> >>>> I have always been grateful to feel the support of the *Global >>>> Community *and *Harrison Owen* in this group. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much for this wonderful togetherness and exchange >>>> of opinions. >>>> >>>> I would like to take this opportunity to share my best wishes >>>> for Christmas and the New Year. >>>> >>>> Funda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le sam. 20 déc. 2025 à 08:22, Jane Lewis via OSList >>>> <everyone@oslist.org> a écrit : >>>> >>>> Loving this conversation. I was co-host for the 2017 >>>> WOSonOS here in Tainan. We had an amazing event, yet >>>> despite (or because of?) many ways to document on offer, >>>> and words about the intention of sharable proceedings, >>>> that's not what happened. >>>> >>>> I take Michael's observations to heart and feel renewed >>>> clarity reading them: >>>> >>>> "I've actively encouraged the production of session reports >>>> that can be completely public. ... I think this is another >>>> case of... we can't take care of people, we can't protect >>>> them, and we only get ourselves tangled in the messiness if >>>> we try... BUT WE CAN remind them that they are >>>> responsible... they are in public and can choose for >>>> themselves what to share in the first place. In most cases, >>>> what "public" means in terms of the notes will have been >>>> modeled by where the invitation went in the first place." >>>> >>>> I'd say I got tangled in messiness, then again everything I >>>> hear from people who were there is about the follow-on >>>> value of having been a part of it all. >>>> I shrug and continue the effort to invite better and invite >>>> better. It truly is a lifelong process. >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> Jane E. Lewis 柳芝蓮 >>>> +886 (0)932 259 844 >>>> JaneELewis@gmail.com >>>> ********** >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 1:48 AM Michael Herman via OSList >>>> <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> This sounds like working too hard, Suzanne. Give the >>>> responsibility directly, right up front, and then do >>>> the work by the book. Publish and be done. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Michael Herman >>>> Michael Herman Associates >>>> 312-280-7838 (mobile) >>>> >>>> MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/> >>>> OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:44 AM Suzanne Daigle via >>>> OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I have found that people really open up during an >>>> Open Space, bravely and often intimately sharing >>>> their experiences and views on personal and public >>>> matters. >>>> >>>> I understand the concern of sharing beyond the >>>> group attending. Perhaps in making these more >>>> publicly available, a note at the beginning of the >>>> proceedings that invites who attended to edit, >>>> delete or modify what they would not have wanted >>>> shared more publicly. Using a Google Doc, making it >>>> a living document. In the spirit of the Law of Two >>>> Feet… >>>> Suzanne >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2025 at 5:38 AM Tres Jiménez via >>>> OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> Should we have an open space theme with this as >>>> the topic 😊 >>>> >>>> I’m new to the group, living in the Jack London >>>> Square neighborhood of Oakland and an OST >>>> practitioner/facilitator. >>>> I look forward to seeing you all at the >>>> upcoming summit in January and finding >>>> community to connect with after doing this work >>>> pretty solo for a decade now. >>>> >>>> Always learning, >>>> Tres Jiménez >>>> www.tresjimenez.com <http://www.tresjimenez.com/> >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/tresjimenez/ >>>> >>>> *From: *Peggy Holman via OSList >>>> <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *Date: *Friday, December 19, 2025 at 8:03 AM >>>> *To: *Open Space Listserv <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *Subject: *[OSList] Re: WOSonOS reports, should >>>> they be accessible to everyone or not? >>>> >>>> Hi Funda and others, >>>> >>>> Your question about access to WOSonOS >>>> proceedings is a question of our modern times! >>>> For many years, we have taken for granted that >>>> these proceedings should be public. Given a key >>>> purpose of WOSonOS is to share learning, that >>>> still strikes me as important. >>>> >>>> Ironically, I recently discovered some paper >>>> copies of early OSonOS proceedings and scanned >>>> them for Michael to post. (They’re not up yet.) >>>> I removed the name and address information that >>>> were a common part of proceedings then. >>>> >>>> So my bias is that WOSonOS proceedings be >>>> public as a vehicle for learning. I think it >>>> would be sad that some future learner, perhaps >>>> a graduate student studying the spread on >>>> self-organizing forms of human endeavor, would >>>> not have access to this rich treasure trove >>>> from pioneers. :-) >>>> >>>> Your question does raise the thought that when >>>> opening the space, the host makes it explicit >>>> that the notes are public. If someone doesn’t >>>> want their notes to be in the proceedings, they >>>> can simply not provide them. I say something >>>> about how notes will be used when working with >>>> clients. It makes sense to do that at WOSonOS. >>>> >>>> What do others think? >>>> >>>> Peggy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 19, 2025, at 12:44 AM, Thomas >>>> Herrmann via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Funda hi collegues >>>> The proceedings from our gatherings are >>>> kept accessible on the open space world site. >>>> Here is the link: >>>> https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/ >>>> Best regards to you all >>>> Thomas >>>> >>>> >>>> Skickat från Outlook för iOS >>>> <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *Från:* Funda Oral via OSList >>>> <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *Skickat:* fredag, december 19, 2025 09:12 >>>> *Till:* OS LIST 2022 <everyone@oslist.org> >>>> *Ämne:* [OSList] WOSonOS reports, should >>>> they be accessible to everyone or not? >>>> >>>> Dear Michael, Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> Dear Michael (Herman), thank you for all >>>> your work to keep the Open Space World >>>> website alive and accessible. I have >>>> learned so much >>>> from that site. >>>> >>>> I have a question/issue that I did not >>>> think about before, are the reports from >>>> WOSonOS`s are accessible >>>> to everyone now? Should they be? >>>> >>>> There have been a few requests to access >>>> the Reports of WOSonOS 2024 and I hesitated >>>> to accept them. >>>> >>>> According to my understanding, the reports >>>> should only be accessible to/by those who >>>> have participated in the relevant OST. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to hearing from you >>>> Funda Oral >>>> >>>> from Stuttgart, Germany where Data >>>> Protection is everywhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: >>>> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>> >>>> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: >>>> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: >>>> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: >>>> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: >>>> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>> >>>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>>> See the archives here: >>>> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >>>> >>> >> >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> See the archives here: >> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here:https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de

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Peggy Holman

Thu, Dec 25, 2025 5:04 PM

Michael,

That sounds like John Engle’s work in Haiti. There used to be a link on the Beyond Borders site that John wrote to the list on June 7, 2003. I found the page in the Wayback archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020804094509/http://www.beyondborders.net/OSIlliterate.htm

Best of the season to you,
Peggy

On Dec 25, 2025, at 8:08 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Looking at the boxes in the basement with more than 150 "Books of Proceedings" I
would place them today into the category "one thing less to do".

Considering the actionorienting approach of ost the focus of the approach is on the
future "Projects" on the base of all the stuff that was discussed, posted, read, augmented and mulled over.

Here is a story I heard of:

"One gathering for people that could not write or read had the following structure:
--- Participants announced their issues for the first round of x breakout spaces
--- Participants scattered into breakoutsessions that interested them
--- After each round of breakoutsessions the participants gathered in the large circle
and listened to what people wanted to report from the first round of breakoutsessions
--- After that they announced further issues and went into the second round of
breakoutsession... etc.
--- In the project part on the last day they gathered into action sessions and
reported on the actions they were going to take."

Does anyone of you know who told this story?

Greetings from Berlin where our house is full of some of our daughters, sons and grandchildren
and friends

Cheers
mmp

Am 25.12.2025 um 13:56 schrieb Marai Kiele via OSList:

Your message lands with me like a breath of fresh air.
Thank you, Gentza!

Am 21.12.2025 um 18:15 schrieb Gentza Eleder via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org>:

Hello every one!

I assume that the proceedings will reach beyond the participants.
100 % sure.
If we told people that they must keep closed, I'm sure they would be "leaked" ;-)!

So, why would we put this stress on people?
Why give the privilege of informing other people
just to those that would break the rule?

A big hug you all there!

Gentza Eleder
Mundaka

Em domingo, 21 de dezembro de 2025 às 15:09, Suzanne Daigle via OSList <everyone@oslist.org mailto:everyone@oslist.org> escreveu: