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rijon@rijonerickson.com

Sun, Jul 23, 2023 5:10 PM

Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes to OST within the context of Liberating Structures.

“Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry Owen and others have had to say about this.”

I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" of OST.

Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format.

Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made to Barry Owen as well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this.

I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here on the OSLIST either.

As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity.

Who among you is willing to help me understand?

P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me.

Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes to OST within the context of Liberating Structures. “Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry Owen and others have had to say about this.” \ I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" of OST.\ \ Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format.\ \ Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made to [Barry Owen](https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ) as well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this.\ \ I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here on the OSLIST either.\ \ As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity.\ \ Who among you is willing to help me understand?\ \ P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me.

PH

Peggy Holman

Sun, Jul 23, 2023 6:24 PM

Hi Rijon,

I don’t recall a conversation about how Liberating Structures changed OST on the OS list.

I just looked at my copy The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures. I found the description of OST adequate. That said, I couldn’t find anything called a “short form” of OST so didn’t find their changes. Do you have a page number?

I can tell you that I am often uncomfortable with how LS treats a variety of practices. My lived experience has been that the “short forms” they advocate reduce a practice to mechanics. In the hands of someone who doesn’t know what they are doing, they can leave something to be desired.

Having said that, it has been a while since I have been around the LS practices. So I can’t name a specific example here. Just my own discomfort.

Peggy

Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com
Twitter: @peggyholman

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com
www.journalismthatmatters.org

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes to OST within the context of Liberating Structures.

“Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry Owen and others have had to say about this.”

I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" of OST.

Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format.

Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made to Barry Owen https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ as well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this.

I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here on the OSLIST either.

As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity.

Who among you is willing to help me understand?

P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me.

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Hi Rijon, I don’t recall a conversation about how Liberating Structures changed OST on the OS list. I just looked at my copy The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures. I found the description of OST adequate. That said, I couldn’t find anything called a “short form” of OST so didn’t find their changes. Do you have a page number? I can tell you that I am often uncomfortable with how LS treats a variety of practices. My lived experience has been that the “short forms” they advocate reduce a practice to mechanics. In the hands of someone who doesn’t know what they are doing, they can leave something to be desired. Having said that, it has been a while since I have been around the LS practices. So I can’t name a specific example here. Just my own discomfort. Peggy _________________________________ Peggy Holman peggy@peggyholman.com Twitter: @peggyholman Bellevue, WA 98006 206-948-0432 www.peggyholman.com www.journalismthatmatters.org Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become the fire". -- Drew Dellinger > On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > > Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes to OST within the context of Liberating Structures. > > > “Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry Owen and others have had to say about this.” > > > I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" of OST. > > Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format. > > Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made to Barry Owen <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ> as well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this. > > I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here on the OSLIST either. > > As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity. > > Who among you is willing to help me understand? > > P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me. > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

MH

Michael Herman

Sun, Jul 23, 2023 6:37 PM

Thanks for this question, Rijon. I agree with Peggy, that I can’t recall
any talk of such upset here on the list. LS is a book about techniques
rather than practice. OS, as a tool or technique, is rightly included. At
the same time, I have long suggested, to anyone who’d listen, that OS is
better as practice. I see limitations in the LS take on it, but if there’s
anything to do about it, I think it would be to say and write more about OS
as practice, rather than trying to make LS something different. LS is the
only thing that could have happened AND it can be leveraged by those who
see OS as more than what if presents. The work goes on…

m

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 12:25 Peggy Holman via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi Rijon,

I don’t recall a conversation about how Liberating Structures changed OST
on the OS list.

I just looked at my copy The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures. I
found the description of OST adequate. That said, I couldn’t find anything
called a “short form” of OST so didn’t find their changes. Do you have a
page number?

I can tell you that I am often uncomfortable with how LS treats a variety
of practices. My lived experience has been that the “short forms” they
advocate reduce a practice to mechanics. In the hands of someone who
doesn’t know what they are doing, they can leave something to be desired.

Having said that, it has been a while since I have been around the LS
practices. So I can’t name a specific example here. Just my own discomfort.

Peggy

Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com
Twitter: @peggyholman

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com
www.journalismthatmatters.org

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval
into Opportunity https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get
burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold
assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes
to OST within the context of Liberating Structures.

“Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a
travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry
Owen and others have had to say about this.”

I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by
authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The
Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form"
of OST.

Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel
some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take
offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as
what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the
chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to
start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format.

Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made
to Barry Owen
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ as
well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this.

I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been
on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being
raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here
on the OSLIST either.

As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of
responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to
publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure
that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space
is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity.

Who among you is willing to help me understand?

P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space
community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me.
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Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org

Thanks for this question, Rijon. I agree with Peggy, that I can’t recall any talk of such upset here on the list. LS is a book about techniques rather than practice. OS, as a tool or technique, is rightly included. At the same time, I have long suggested, to anyone who’d listen, that OS is better as practice. I see limitations in the LS take on it, but if there’s anything to do about it, I think it would be to say and write more about OS as practice, rather than trying to make LS something different. LS is the only thing that could have happened AND it can be leveraged by those who see OS as more than what if presents. The work goes on… m On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 12:25 Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Hi Rijon, > > I don’t recall a conversation about how Liberating Structures changed OST > on the OS list. > > I just looked at my copy The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures. I > found the description of OST adequate. That said, I couldn’t find anything > called a “short form” of OST so didn’t find their changes. Do you have a > page number? > > I can tell you that I am often uncomfortable with how LS treats a variety > of practices. My lived experience has been that the “short forms” they > advocate reduce a practice to mechanics. In the hands of someone who > doesn’t know what they are doing, they can leave something to be desired. > > Having said that, it has been a while since I have been around the LS > practices. So I can’t name a specific example here. Just my own discomfort. > > Peggy > > > > _________________________________ > Peggy Holman > peggy@peggyholman.com > Twitter: @peggyholman > > Bellevue, WA 98006 > 206-948-0432 > www.peggyholman.com > www.journalismthatmatters.org > > Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval > into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> > > > "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get > burnt, is to become > the fire". > -- Drew Dellinger > > > > On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList < > everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > > Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold > assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes > to OST within the context of Liberating Structures. > > “Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a > travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry > Owen and others have had to say about this.” > > > I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by > authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The > Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" > of OST. > > Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel > some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take > offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as > what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the > chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to > start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format. > > Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made > to Barry Owen > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ> as > well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this. > > I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been > on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being > raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here > on the OSLIST either. > > As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of > responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to > publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure > that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space > is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity. > > Who among you is willing to help me understand? > > P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space > community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me. > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org -- -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates 312-280-7838 (mobile) MichaelHerman.com OpenSpaceWorld.org

RE

Rijon Erickson

Sun, Jul 23, 2023 6:41 PM

My kindle doesn’t give a good page number, but the words “short form” are
in the last paragraph:

“ ATTRIBUTION Invented by Harrison Owen (see Open Space Technology: A
User’s Guide). <<Short form>> developed to fit in Liberating Structures
milieu by Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless.”

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 2:38 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Thanks for this question, Rijon. I agree with Peggy, that I can’t recall
any talk of such upset here on the list. LS is a book about techniques
rather than practice. OS, as a tool or technique, is rightly included. At
the same time, I have long suggested, to anyone who’d listen, that OS is
better as practice. I see limitations in the LS take on it, but if there’s
anything to do about it, I think it would be to say and write more about OS
as practice, rather than trying to make LS something different. LS is the
only thing that could have happened AND it can be leveraged by those who
see OS as more than what if presents. The work goes on…

m

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 12:25 Peggy Holman via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi Rijon,

I don’t recall a conversation about how Liberating Structures changed OST
on the OS list.

I just looked at my copy The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures. I
found the description of OST adequate. That said, I couldn’t find anything
called a “short form” of OST so didn’t find their changes. Do you have a
page number?

I can tell you that I am often uncomfortable with how LS treats a variety
of practices. My lived experience has been that the “short forms” they
advocate reduce a practice to mechanics. In the hands of someone who
doesn’t know what they are doing, they can leave something to be desired.

Having said that, it has been a while since I have been around the LS
practices. So I can’t name a specific example here. Just my own discomfort.

Peggy

Peggy Holman
peggy@peggyholman.com
Twitter: @peggyholman

Bellevue, WA 98006
206-948-0432
www.peggyholman.com
www.journalismthatmatters.org

Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval
into Opportunity https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/

"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get
burnt, is to become
the fire".
-- Drew Dellinger

On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold
assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes
to OST within the context of Liberating Structures.

“Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a
travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry
Owen and others have had to say about this.”

I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by
authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The
Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form"
of OST.

Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did
feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't
take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me
as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the
chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to
start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format.

Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made
to Barry Owen
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ as
well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this.

I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been
on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being
raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here
on the OSLIST either.

As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of
responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to
publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure
that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space
is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity.

Who among you is willing to help me understand?

P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space
community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me.
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My kindle doesn’t give a good page number, but the words “short form” are in the last paragraph: “ ATTRIBUTION Invented by Harrison Owen (see Open Space Technology: A User’s Guide). <<Short form>> developed to fit in Liberating Structures milieu by Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless.” On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 2:38 PM Michael Herman via OSList < everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Thanks for this question, Rijon. I agree with Peggy, that I can’t recall > any talk of such upset here on the list. LS is a book about techniques > rather than practice. OS, as a tool or technique, is rightly included. At > the same time, I have long suggested, to anyone who’d listen, that OS is > better as practice. I see limitations in the LS take on it, but if there’s > anything to do about it, I think it would be to say and write more about OS > as practice, rather than trying to make LS something different. LS is the > only thing that could have happened AND it can be leveraged by those who > see OS as more than what if presents. The work goes on… > > m > > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 12:25 Peggy Holman via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> > wrote: > >> Hi Rijon, >> >> I don’t recall a conversation about how Liberating Structures changed OST >> on the OS list. >> >> I just looked at my copy The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures. I >> found the description of OST adequate. That said, I couldn’t find anything >> called a “short form” of OST so didn’t find their changes. Do you have a >> page number? >> >> I can tell you that I am often uncomfortable with how LS treats a variety >> of practices. My lived experience has been that the “short forms” they >> advocate reduce a practice to mechanics. In the hands of someone who >> doesn’t know what they are doing, they can leave something to be desired. >> >> Having said that, it has been a while since I have been around the LS >> practices. So I can’t name a specific example here. Just my own discomfort. >> >> Peggy >> >> >> >> _________________________________ >> Peggy Holman >> peggy@peggyholman.com >> Twitter: @peggyholman >> >> Bellevue, WA 98006 >> 206-948-0432 >> www.peggyholman.com >> www.journalismthatmatters.org >> >> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval >> into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> >> >> >> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get >> burnt, is to become >> the fire". >> -- Drew Dellinger >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList < >> everyone@oslist.org> wrote: >> >> Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold >> assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes >> to OST within the context of Liberating Structures. >> >> “Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a >> travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry >> Owen and others have had to say about this.” >> >> >> I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by >> authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The >> Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" >> of OST. >> >> Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did >> feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't >> take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me >> as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the >> chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to >> start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format. >> >> Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made >> to Barry Owen >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ> as >> well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this. >> >> I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been >> on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being >> raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here >> on the OSLIST either. >> >> As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of >> responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to >> publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure >> that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space >> is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity. >> >> Who among you is willing to help me understand? >> >> P.S. 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Tue, Aug 1, 2023 8:45 PM

People have been trying to take control of open space. Good luck with that fools...

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On Sunday, July 23rd, 2023 at 11:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes to OST within the context of Liberating Structures.

“Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry Owen and others have had to say about this.”

I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" of OST.

Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format.

Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made to Barry Owen as well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this.

I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here on the OSLIST either.

As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity.

Who among you is willing to help me understand?

P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me.

People have been trying to take control of open space. Good luck with that fools... Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, July 23rd, 2023 at 11:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes to OST within the context of Liberating Structures. > > “Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry Owen and others have had to say about this.” > > I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" of OST. > > Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format. > > Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made to [Barry Owen](https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ) as well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this. > > I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here on the OSLIST either. > > As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity. > > Who among you is willing to help me understand? > > P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me.

everyone@oslist.org

A TRAVESTY? Please explain.