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Michael M Pannwitz
Sun, Feb 18, 2024 3:43 PM

... following Harrisons suggestion, see below,  I do send the story
especially re the 5th principle, "Wherever it happens is the right place".
I do recall Harrsion and Claudia Gross huddling at an osonos in Sardinia
talking about her experience on Tahrir Square in 2011,
see here

At that osonos they came up with the 5th principle (as you know I call
those "facts of life") and announced it during evening news or in
morning announcements.l

Have a great day wherever you are
m

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Betreff: Re: [OSList] Re: Birthing a New Order
Datum: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:53:57 -0500
Von: Harrison Owen SR hhowensr@gmail.com
An: Michael M Pannwitz mmpannwitz@posteo.de

Michael -- that is a truly wonderful story and better the second time
around (reading) I think you might consider posting it on OSLIST just as
it is for all of those who doubt the utility of the 5th principle
"Wherever it happens is the right place." That is right up there with
the other great examples.

Harrison

On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:20 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
everyone@oslist.org wrote:

Thanks, Harrison!

About three weeks ago, some tough investigative journalists
(Correctiv) released an article on something atrocious that happened
in Berlin. They reported on a meeting of right wing extremists
forging plans for getting rid of folks with a migratory background.
Immediately, a huge number of people took to the streets in
thousands of cities of all sizes and are doing it to this day
fighting for upholding democracy in Germany.
It selforganized and then groups connected, probably thousands from
all areas of civil society... labor unions, churches, climate
activists, citizens movements of all kinds, such as Grandmothers for
Future, anti faschists, NGOs, city governments...
Nobody would have expected this kind of uprising.
This is a poignant example of how the force of selforganization
unfolds in critical situations.

For me it was a wonderful experience yesterday when folks got
together in our neighborhood in the afternoon. One hundred people
were expected, 1300 came carrying hand made posters to the issue
"Unser Kiez ist bunt - kein Platz für Rassismus!". All ages, many
families, all walks of life, I met dozens of people I had not seen
for years. The whole crowd had tiny gatherings (similar to breakout
sessions) discussing stuff and moving about.

Regarding your statement "... the discomforture of the departure of
the old way of doing business and whatever is coming next.":
I have run into a book by Kohei Saito, a japanese scientist, a
german version was available last fall, the english one was
published early this year. He weighs into the old way... the english
title is "Slow Down - How Degrowth Communism Can Save The Earth"...
First time I ran into this topic was in 1972 when the Club of Rome
published "The Limits to Growth. A Report for the Club of Rome’s
Project on the Predicament of Mankind)", produced at MIT. Since then
nothing has taken place to actually reduce growth which appears to
be a holy grail of our way of doing things.
It will be extremely discomfortable, especially in the global north...

Wish we all could study his book. It is full of surprises and new
insights for me...

Love and Peace and see to it that you never work harder than you have to
ciao
m




Am 17.02.2024 um 17:32 schrieb hhowen--- via OSList:
 As a world, we are obviously in a critical moment. Lots of Chaos,
 confusion and conflict. And … there are also signs of renewal —
 colonized peoples are finding the dignity and voice, forgotten
 peoples left out of the contemporary world are discovering their
 place. A great deal of moving and shaking, painful for everybody,
 but hopeful for all. I believe we can actually make it, but
 somewhere along the line we will have to deal with the Rage that
 has manifest itself, coming from the discomforture of the
 departure of the old way of doing business and whatever is coming
 next. I certainly don’t have the answers, but I think I know where
 to start. The attached, “After the Rage” is my best effort to the
 the moment. I believe it is a moment of birth. Tell your own story!

 Harrison


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... following Harrisons suggestion, see below,  I do send the story especially re the 5th principle, "Wherever it happens is the right place". I do recall Harrsion and Claudia Gross huddling at an osonos in Sardinia talking about her experience on Tahrir Square in 2011, see here > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Egyptian_revolution#/media/File:Tahrir_Square_during_8_February_2011.jpg At that osonos they came up with the 5th principle (as you know I call those "facts of life") and announced it during evening news or in morning announcements.l Have a great day wherever you are m -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [OSList] Re: Birthing a New Order Datum: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:53:57 -0500 Von: Harrison Owen SR <hhowensr@gmail.com> An: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> Michael -- that is a truly wonderful story and better the second time around (reading) I think you might consider posting it on OSLIST just as it is for all of those who doubt the utility of the 5th principle "Wherever it happens is the right place." That is right up there with the other great examples. Harrison On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:20 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: Thanks, Harrison! About three weeks ago, some tough investigative journalists (Correctiv) released an article on something atrocious that happened in Berlin. They reported on a meeting of right wing extremists forging plans for getting rid of folks with a migratory background. Immediately, a huge number of people took to the streets in thousands of cities of all sizes and are doing it to this day fighting for upholding democracy in Germany. It selforganized and then groups connected, probably thousands from all areas of civil society... labor unions, churches, climate activists, citizens movements of all kinds, such as Grandmothers for Future, anti faschists, NGOs, city governments... Nobody would have expected this kind of uprising. This is a poignant example of how the force of selforganization unfolds in critical situations. For me it was a wonderful experience yesterday when folks got together in our neighborhood in the afternoon. One hundred people were expected, 1300 came carrying hand made posters to the issue "Unser Kiez ist bunt - kein Platz für Rassismus!". All ages, many families, all walks of life, I met dozens of people I had not seen for years. The whole crowd had tiny gatherings (similar to breakout sessions) discussing stuff and moving about. Regarding your statement "... the discomforture of the departure of the old way of doing business and whatever is coming next.": I have run into a book by Kohei Saito, a japanese scientist, a german version was available last fall, the english one was published early this year. He weighs into the old way... the english title is "Slow Down - How Degrowth Communism Can Save The Earth"... First time I ran into this topic was in 1972 when the Club of Rome published "The Limits to Growth. A Report for the Club of Rome’s Project on the Predicament of Mankind)", produced at MIT. Since then nothing has taken place to actually reduce growth which appears to be a holy grail of our way of doing things. It will be extremely discomfortable, especially in the global north... Wish we all could study his book. It is full of surprises and new insights for me... Love and Peace and see to it that you never work harder than you have to ciao m Am 17.02.2024 um 17:32 schrieb hhowen--- via OSList: > > As a world, we are obviously in a critical moment. Lots of Chaos, > confusion and conflict. And … there are also signs of renewal — > colonized peoples are finding the dignity and voice, forgotten > peoples left out of the contemporary world are discovering their > place. A great deal of moving and shaking, painful for everybody, > but hopeful for all. I believe we can actually make it, but > somewhere along the line we will have to deal with the Rage that > has manifest itself, coming from the discomforture of the > departure of the old way of doing business and whatever is coming > next. I certainly don’t have the answers, but I think I know where > to start. The attached, “After the Rage” is my best effort to the > the moment. I believe it is a moment of birth. Tell your own story! > > Harrison > > > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here:https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de