"Humboldt was revolutionizing the sciences. In September 1828 he
 invited hundreds of scientists from across Germany and Europe to
 attend a conference in Berlin. Unlike previous such meetings at
 which scientists had endlessly presented papers about their own
 work, Humboldt put together a very different programme. Rather
 than being talked at, he wanted the scientists to talk with each
 other. There were convivial meals and social outings such as
 concerts and excursions to the royal menagerie on the Pfaueninsel
 in Potsdam. Meetings were held among botanical, zoological and
 fossil collections as well as at the university and the botanical
 garden. Humboldt encouraged scientists to gather in small groups
 and across disciplines. He connected the visiting scientists on a
 more personal level, ensuring that they forged friendships that
 would foster close networks. He envisaged an interdisciplinary
 brotherhood of scientists who would exchange and share knowledge.
 ‘Without a diversity of opinion, the discovery of truth is
 impossible,’ he reminded them in his opening speech."

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... oops, the piece below went to Lucas but I intended it to all of us mmpgettingolder -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [OSList] Re: From humboldt to harrison to winge... really? Datum: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:16:31 +0200 Von: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz@posteo.de> An: Lucas Cioffi <lucas@qiqochat.com> Dear colleagues, well, precursors to OST were in ancient times, the circle and the circle breaking up into what we call "breakout sessions" and then gathering again in the circle was one of the elements HO saw with his own eyes in a village in Africa... in my understanding a grand example of expanding time and space for unfolding of selforganisation. In an os event I facilitated in Kenia I was interrupted by one of the elders in my introduction with the sentence: "I know this, it is what we used to do in our village". When I asked him what their gatherings were called, he said: "Gathering under a shady tree". Other elders in the group remarked that they heard about such gatherings in their village (the participants came from various tribes) but that they are no longer in use. Humboldt might fit into this picture. He got around all over the world and it would not surprise me him having seen such processes in the many cultures that he visited... I also remember HO or some other wise person saying that they did not "invent" ost but that they "remembered" it. Have a great day wherever you cheers mmp Am 28.06.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Lucas Cioffi via OSList: > Hi Bhav and everyone! > > I hope you are doing great, and thank you for posting the article > by Tim O'Reilly.  I pasted in the relevant quote about the scientist > Humboldt who created a conversational conference. > > Given the information available in the article, I can't come to the > same conclusion of the author, that Humboldt's event format was the > same as open space.  I think more info is needed to hear about whether > people could propose topics, whether they could choose sessions, and > whether they could move between sessions.  From the information > available, it might be that Humboldt chose all the topics and assigned > people to different discussions. > > Here is the relevant part of the article: > > "Humboldt was revolutionizing the sciences. In September 1828 he > invited hundreds of scientists from across Germany and Europe to > attend a conference in Berlin. Unlike previous such meetings at > which scientists had endlessly presented papers about their own > work, Humboldt put together a very different programme. Rather > than being talked at, he wanted the scientists to talk with each > other. There were convivial meals and social outings such as > concerts and excursions to the royal menagerie on the Pfaueninsel > in Potsdam. Meetings were held among botanical, zoological and > fossil collections as well as at the university and the botanical > garden. Humboldt encouraged scientists to gather in small groups > and across disciplines. He connected the visiting scientists on a > more personal level, ensuring that they forged friendships that > would foster close networks. He envisaged an interdisciplinary > brotherhood of scientists who would exchange and share knowledge. > ‘Without a diversity of opinion, the discovery of truth is > impossible,’ he reminded them in his opening speech." > > It would be interesting to know more. > Lucas Cioffi > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 1:16 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList > <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/true-inventor-unconference-tim-o-reilly/ > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: > https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > > OSList mailing list --everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email toeveryone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here:https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org Michael M Pannwitz Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany +49 30 7728000mmpannwitz@posteo.de See the Open Space World Map with 519 Open Space Workers living in 79 countries and active in 144 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org