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isaac a

Sun, Nov 10, 2024 3:59 PM

Hi,
I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day.
I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist.
The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the last thing of the day'.
However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main space.
Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum circle after the event?
Many thanks.
Isaac

Hi, I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day. I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist. The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the last thing of the day'. However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main space. Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum circle after the event? Many thanks. Isaac

JA

Jeff Aitken

Sun, Nov 10, 2024 4:25 PM

Hi Isaac. To me the key is your phrase "after the event." The closing
circle can come after the breakouts and the convergence process if any. For
a half day, I imagine just breakouts, and the closing circle may have the
quality of a convergence. Sounds to me like the drum circle fits well after
those elements of the event.

If you plan a talking circle after the drum circle, if that is your usual
practice, that gets more complicated. One talking-closing circle after the
drumming could then make more sense, to me.

Warmly
Jeff
Gulf Coast Florida

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi,
I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring
'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative
activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day.
I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist.
The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the
last thing of the day'.
However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close
the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main
space.
Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum
circle after the event?
Many thanks.
Isaac

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Hi Isaac. To me the key is your phrase "after the event." The closing circle can come after the breakouts and the convergence process if any. For a half day, I imagine just breakouts, and the closing circle may have the quality of a convergence. Sounds to me like the drum circle fits well after those elements of the event. If you plan a talking circle after the drum circle, if that is your usual practice, that gets more complicated. One talking-closing circle after the drumming could then make more sense, to me. Warmly Jeff Gulf Coast Florida On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Hi, > I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring > 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative > activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day. > I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist. > The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the > last thing of the day'. > However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close > the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main > space. > Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum > circle after the event? > Many thanks. > Isaac > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

MH

Michael Herman

Sun, Nov 10, 2024 4:43 PM

first thought... drum circle and closing circle are same, and neither one
necessarily has to be "after" the event, neither is necessarily more of the
event than the other. you can have the breakouts, and if you're the sort
of people who are used to "talking with your hands" then the drum circle
might be the actual closing circle, followed by a collective, spoken "wow"
in a traditional closing circle, when the drumming crescendos. or... you
might finish the spoken closing circle and the drumming is the exclamation
point. i can imagine that either one works and i think they work best as
not too separate sessions, but one session that finishes as a different
session. when all the words or drumming is finished, let the other thing
flow immediately from that, in the very next breath. you might even find a
way to weave them together... so people share comments popcorn-style, with
a talking stick in the center of the circle, rather than passing it in a
line around the circle. every time someone finishes, people might give a
little "hear, hear!" support on the drums. in this way, i can imagine the
comments might get shorter and the drumming longer... until the talking is
over and the drumming takes over the circle. which is to say, it's all
flow... just play with it! m

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 9:28 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi Isaac. To me the key is your phrase "after the event." The closing
circle can come after the breakouts and the convergence process if any. For
a half day, I imagine just breakouts, and the closing circle may have the
quality of a convergence. Sounds to me like the drum circle fits well after
those elements of the event.

If you plan a talking circle after the drum circle, if that is your usual
practice, that gets more complicated. One talking-closing circle after the
drumming could then make more sense, to me.

Warmly
Jeff
Gulf Coast Florida

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi,
I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring
'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative
activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day.
I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist.
The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is
the last thing of the day'.
However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close
the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main
space.
Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a
drum circle after the event?
Many thanks.
Isaac

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first thought... drum circle and closing circle are same, and neither one necessarily has to be "after" the event, neither is necessarily more of the event than the other. you can have the breakouts, and if you're the sort of people who are used to "talking with your hands" then the drum circle might be the actual closing circle, followed by a collective, spoken "wow" in a traditional closing circle, when the drumming crescendos. or... you might finish the spoken closing circle and the drumming is the exclamation point. i can imagine that either one works and i think they work best as not too separate sessions, but one session that finishes as a different session. when all the words or drumming is finished, let the other thing flow immediately from that, in the very next breath. you might even find a way to weave them together... so people share comments popcorn-style, with a talking stick in the center of the circle, rather than passing it in a line around the circle. every time someone finishes, people might give a little "hear, hear!" support on the drums. in this way, i can imagine the comments might get shorter and the drumming longer... until the talking is over and the drumming takes over the circle. which is to say, it's all flow... just play with it! m -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates 312-280-7838 (mobile) MichaelHerman.com OpenSpaceWorld.org On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 9:28 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Hi Isaac. To me the key is your phrase "after the event." The closing > circle can come after the breakouts and the convergence process if any. For > a half day, I imagine just breakouts, and the closing circle may have the > quality of a convergence. Sounds to me like the drum circle fits well after > those elements of the event. > > If you plan a talking circle after the drum circle, if that is your usual > practice, that gets more complicated. One talking-closing circle after the > drumming could then make more sense, to me. > > Warmly > Jeff > Gulf Coast Florida > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring >> 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative >> activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day. >> I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist. >> The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is >> the last thing of the day'. >> However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close >> the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main >> space. >> Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a >> drum circle after the event? >> Many thanks. >> Isaac >> >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> See the archives here: >> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

JW

John Warinner

Sun, Nov 10, 2024 5:28 PM

Isaac... that sounds like a really cool topic and event. I wish I could
participate!

I agree with Michael.

Play on!
JW

John Warinner(541) 815-4103
johnwarinner@gmail.com johnw@watersolving.com

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 8:44 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

first thought... drum circle and closing circle are same, and neither one
necessarily has to be "after" the event, neither is necessarily more of the
event than the other. you can have the breakouts, and if you're the sort
of people who are used to "talking with your hands" then the drum circle
might be the actual closing circle, followed by a collective, spoken "wow"
in a traditional closing circle, when the drumming crescendos. or... you
might finish the spoken closing circle and the drumming is the exclamation
point. i can imagine that either one works and i think they work best as
not too separate sessions, but one session that finishes as a different
session. when all the words or drumming is finished, let the other thing
flow immediately from that, in the very next breath. you might even find a
way to weave them together... so people share comments popcorn-style, with
a talking stick in the center of the circle, rather than passing it in a
line around the circle. every time someone finishes, people might give a
little "hear, hear!" support on the drums. in this way, i can imagine the
comments might get shorter and the drumming longer... until the talking is
over and the drumming takes over the circle. which is to say, it's all
flow... just play with it! m

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 9:28 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
everyone@oslist.org> wrote:

Hi Isaac. To me the key is your phrase "after the event." The closing
circle can come after the breakouts and the convergence process if any. For
a half day, I imagine just breakouts, and the closing circle may have the
quality of a convergence. Sounds to me like the drum circle fits well after
those elements of the event.

If you plan a talking circle after the drum circle, if that is your usual
practice, that gets more complicated. One talking-closing circle after the
drumming could then make more sense, to me.

Warmly
Jeff
Gulf Coast Florida

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi,
I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring
'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative
activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day.
I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist.
The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is
the last thing of the day'.
However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to
close the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the
main space.
Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a
drum circle after the event?
Many thanks.
Isaac

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Isaac... that sounds like a really cool topic and event. I wish I could participate! I agree with Michael. Play on! JW *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 johnwarinner@gmail.com <johnw@watersolving.com> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 8:44 AM Michael Herman via OSList < everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > first thought... drum circle and closing circle are same, and neither one > necessarily has to be "after" the event, neither is necessarily more of the > event than the other. you can have the breakouts, and if you're the sort > of people who are used to "talking with your hands" then the drum circle > might be the actual closing circle, followed by a collective, spoken "wow" > in a traditional closing circle, when the drumming crescendos. or... you > might finish the spoken closing circle and the drumming is the exclamation > point. i can imagine that either one works and i think they work best as > not too separate sessions, but one session that finishes as a different > session. when all the words or drumming is finished, let the other thing > flow immediately from that, in the very next breath. you might even find a > way to weave them together... so people share comments popcorn-style, with > a talking stick in the center of the circle, rather than passing it in a > line around the circle. every time someone finishes, people might give a > little "hear, hear!" support on the drums. in this way, i can imagine the > comments might get shorter and the drumming longer... until the talking is > over and the drumming takes over the circle. which is to say, it's all > flow... just play with it! m > > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > MichaelHerman.com > OpenSpaceWorld.org > > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 9:28 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList < > everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > >> Hi Isaac. To me the key is your phrase "after the event." The closing >> circle can come after the breakouts and the convergence process if any. For >> a half day, I imagine just breakouts, and the closing circle may have the >> quality of a convergence. Sounds to me like the drum circle fits well after >> those elements of the event. >> >> If you plan a talking circle after the drum circle, if that is your usual >> practice, that gets more complicated. One talking-closing circle after the >> drumming could then make more sense, to me. >> >> Warmly >> Jeff >> Gulf Coast Florida >> >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring >>> 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative >>> activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day. >>> I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist. >>> The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is >>> the last thing of the day'. >>> However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to >>> close the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the >>> main space. >>> Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a >>> drum circle after the event? >>> Many thanks. >>> Isaac >>> >>> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >>> See the archives here: >>> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >> >> OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org >> See the archives here: >> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

RW

Rain Warren

Mon, Nov 11, 2024 3:57 AM

My response to your question Isaac:

1st thought:
LISTEN: together hold the intention for the drumming circle to happen and
Listen for when it will show in the Spirit of " curiosity and creativity".
Could be that drumming shows up before, during, and after (one of those or
all of the above).

2nd Thought:
The only"purist rule" I know about Open Space is that there are no "purist
rules".

3rd Thought:
Invite community to bring the drums and the drummers gonna drum at the
right time, in the right moment, or the wrong time, in the wrong moment AND
it will be perfect!

Next thought:
The drums represent the heart beat of the community. What an opportunity,
at this moment on the planet, to come together in community and allow and
listen to our collective hearts beating together.

EnJOY!
Let us know what unfolds...
Whatever happens is...

Dr. Rain

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList everyone@oslist.org
wrote:

Hi,
I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring
'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative
activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day.
I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist.
The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the
last thing of the day'.
However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close
the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main
space.
Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum
circle after the event?
Many thanks.
Isaac

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My response to your question Isaac: 1st thought: LISTEN: together hold the intention for the drumming circle to happen and Listen for when it will show in the Spirit of " curiosity and creativity". Could be that drumming shows up before, during, and after (one of those or all of the above). 2nd Thought: The only"purist rule" I know about Open Space is that there are no "purist rules". 3rd Thought: Invite community to bring the drums and the drummers gonna drum at the right time, in the right moment, or the wrong time, in the wrong moment AND it will be perfect! Next thought: The drums represent the heart beat of the community. What an opportunity, at this moment on the planet, to come together in community and allow and listen to our collective hearts beating together. EnJOY! Let us know what unfolds... Whatever happens is... Dr. Rain On Sun, Nov 10, 2024, 11:00 AM isaac a via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> wrote: > Hi, > I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring > 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative > activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day. > I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist. > The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the > last thing of the day'. > However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close > the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main > space. > Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum > circle after the event? > Many thanks. > Isaac > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

CA

chris.altmikus@idea-link.eu

Mon, Nov 11, 2024 6:43 AM

Hi Isaac,

In the spirit of OS you are inviting to a drum circle … and according to the law of two feet … I can choose to accept your invitation…

You could invite to a drum circle as part of the break outs, as a ramp up to the closing circle or after the close … All depends on the intention you hold with regard to your invitation.

Kindest
Chris

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Le 10 nov. 2024 à 16:59, isaac a via OSList everyone@oslist.org a écrit :

Hi,
I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day.
I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist.
The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the last thing of the day'.
However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main space.
Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum circle after the event?
Many thanks.
Isaac

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Hi Isaac, In the spirit of OS you are inviting to a drum circle … and according to the law of two feet … I can choose to accept your invitation… You could invite to a drum circle as part of the break outs, as a ramp up to the closing circle or after the close … All depends on the intention you hold with regard to your invitation. Kindest Chris Chris M. Altmikus Chemin de la Bovarde 37 CH-1091 Grandvaux ph +41 21 799 31 34 m +41 78 935 31 34 chris.altmikus@idea-link.eu <mailto:chris.altmikus@idea-link.eu> http://www.idea-link.eu <http://www.idea-link.eu/> > Le 10 nov. 2024 à 16:59, isaac a via OSList <everyone@oslist.org> a écrit : > > Hi, > I'm organising an OS event in January with Hull Libraries, exploring 'curiosity and creativity'. It's a half day event, with other creative activities around the library in the morning, and supporting the day. > I'm currently reading an OS guide and checklist. > The guide says something like 'it's preferred if the closing circle is the last thing of the day'. > However we might like to have a drum circle in the music library to close the day. The music library is in a separate room, adjacent to the main space. > Any comments from anyone? Am I breaking any purist rules by holding a drum circle after the event? > Many thanks. > Isaac > > OSList mailing list -- everyone@oslist.org > To unsubscribe send an email to everyone-leave@oslist.org > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org

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